Insulin & hypoglycemia

[KARMA8]

If i am hypoglycemic can I safely use insulin... If so what would be the protocol?

[jack thomas]

Are you a type1 or type2 diabetic?.

j/t.

[KARMA8]

I am self diagnosed.

[jack thomas]

If you havn't consult with a doctor,i will not be rolling the dice with slin.Goodluck.

j/t

[KARMA8]

Let me ask this. I have ran a few times with IGF. Is there really that much difference? Thanx for your advice.

[Pacesetter]

If someone gets hypoglyceamic does that necessarily mean they are diabetic? I get hypo occassionally after a dextrose hit post w/out.

[yarden]

You don't need to be diabetic to go hypoglycemic. I measured my blood glucose levels the other night and it was rather low..too low considering and I'm not diabetic.

Out of curiosity Pace, how many grams of dextrose causes you to go hypo?

[sammarbella]

If someone gets hypoglyceamic does that necessarily mean they are diabetic? I get hypo occassionally after a dextrose hit post w/out.

NO.

Get hipo means your slin is acting very well (in fact too much well) , if you get HYPER (hyperglucemic) very often and or a long time without high sugar excess in your diet then your slin is not acting well, that's a diabetes sympton and can be due to:

- Type I pancreas doesn't produce enough slin (or not produce it at all) to manage the circulating sugar in blood.

- Type II muscle cells has get a high resistance to own slin who can't manage the circulating sugar in blood.

At the end the effect in sugar blood level is the same, it's very high.

[KARMA8]

NO.

Get hipo means your slin is acting very well (in fact too much well) , if you get HYPER (hyperglucemic) very often and or a long time without high sugar excess in your diet then your slin is not acting well, that's a diabetes sympton and can be due to:

- Type I pancreas doesn't produce enough slin (or not produce it at all) to manage the circulating sugar in blood.

- Type II muscle cells has get a high resistance to own slin who can't manage the circulating sugar in blood.

At the end the effect in sugar blood level is the same, it's very high.
With all this said. If I show signs of hypo, and have run IGF before with no problems at all. Can I run slin a couple times a week. Super thanx for the help.

[Pacesetter]

You don't need to be diabetic to go hypoglycemic. I measured my blood glucose levels the other night and it was rather low..too low considering and I'm not diabetic.

Out of curiosity Pace, how many grams of dextrose causes you to go hypo?

It depends if I'm restricting carbs. Even when on a moderate low carb diet, probably 60 grams or so of dextrose. I find the dextrose/maltodextrin combo better in this regard.

Anyway thanks for clearing that up Yardena nd sammarbella. Good to know that natural slin is working well.

[SMASHING MACHINE]

With all this said. If I show signs of hypo, and have run IGF before with no problems at all. Can I run slin a couple times a week. Super thanx for the help.

although it is said that igf is insulin like.... it doesnt come close if u aske me when we are tlaking about chances of hypo. 10iu of slin without proper monitoring will def have a major effect on ur blood sugar levels... it is all about monitoring... not to say that 10 ius is gonna kill you, but its makes ofr an unpleasant experience if not shown respect... i only say this cuz there was a guy on the board who used to claim that he bomber 80iu of slin a day...:tombstone:

[KARMA8]

although it is said that igf is insulin like.... it doesnt come close if u aske me when we are tlaking about chances of hypo. 10iu of slin without proper monitoring will def have a major effect on ur blood sugar levels... it is all about monitoring... not to say that 10 ius is gonna kill you, but its makes ofr an unpleasant experience if not shown respect... i only say this cuz there was a guy on the board who used to claim that he bomber 80iu of slin a day...:tombstone:
Bottom line................Can I run a moderate dose of slin 3 times a week (knowing I have shown hypo in the past) with out endeing up in a bad situation?
Thanx again for your guidance.

[SMASHING MACHINE]

Bottom line................Can I run a moderate dose of slin 3 times a week (knowing I have shown hypo in the past) with out endeing up in a bad situation?
Thanx again for your guidance.

yes. just simply follow protocol. slin is the best if you ask me. i have shown hypo in the past and i still use 20 ED. enjoy but carefully.

[2Sick]

I would say you will be completely fine....And if you feel yourself going hypo grab a soda and suck it down...Until you feel better. Everyone can go hypo, this does not mean your diabetic,

[KARMA8]

Guys thanx for all of your advice.

[BIG-D]

I go hypo about 2x week. I can tell when it's coming on so i keep candy in my car at work at home just in case. Going into a hypoglycemic state is no fun. For me it means sweating, shaking, slured speech, very dangerous, you could co into a coma or even worse die from it so be careful. If you take to much slin and don't get enough carbs and protien in ya you could be in trouble. Right now i take 20 IU of slin about 20-30 minutes before my first big meal. Than I'll take in more carbs about 1/2 hr later and again at peak time 2hrs later. Good Luck and be careful!!

[KARMA8]

Guys thanx for all the help.....What is the best slin and wich place( ie. wallgreeens pharm. or safeway pharm......) to pick up.

[Rage101]

True, going hypoglycemic does not mean you are diabetic. What they check for in diabetes is hyperglycemia, indicating you are not producing enough insulin to get it out of the blood and into the cells of the body. If you frequently go hypoglycemic (without use of insulin) then you should look up hyperinsulinemia. You could be going hypo due to too much natural insulin production. If this case you are looking at an increased chance of becoming an adult onset diabetic (Type II) due to decreased sensitivity of the tissues to insulin.

Here is my thought, if you are already at risk of the tissues losing their sensitivity due to too much insulin, do you really want to go around adding even more insulin and possibly add to this??? Don't get me wrong, I know about going hypo on your own because it happens to me sometimes. Yet I am considering slin in the future. Just weighing things out to make my own informed decision as we all should do.

[KARMA8]

True, going hypoglycemic does not mean you are diabetic. What they check for in diabetes is hyperglycemia, indicating you are not producing enough insulin to get it out of the blood and into the cells of the body. If you frequently go hypoglycemic (without use of insulin) then you should look up hyperinsulinemia. You could be going hypo due to too much natural insulin production. If this case you are looking at an increased chance of becoming an adult onset diabetic (Type II) due to decreased sensitivity of the tissues to insulin.

Here is my thought, if you are already at risk of the tissues losing their sensitivity due to too much insulin, do you really want to go around adding even more insulin and possibly add to this??? Don't get me wrong, I know about going hypo on your own because it happens to me sometimes. Yet I am considering slin in the future. Just weighing things out to make my own informed decision as we all should do.
Rage ,you make a ton sense.....I too am deciding. I just dont know if I should because I already may have enough slin in my system as you stated above. Please keep me posted as I'm quite curious.
Happy Holidays

[Powerlifter1028]

karma, please do some more research before you start insulin

[Rage101]

Biggest thing of all, do your own research!!!! It's your body and you should know 100% of what you are doing to it. The other thing, be cautious!!! If I happen to use slin, i'm leaning towards low dose. Probably never more than 8iu per day PWO. That is a small dose compared to what some use and i'm fine with it. Weighing risk vs benefit and that is about all the risk i'm willing to take. When/if I do it, i'll be starting with a low dose like 4iu PWO and then after a week increase to 5iu, next week 6iu, taking it in moderation and seeing how things go along the way.

And my previous post about hyperinsulemia, if that happens to be the cause of going hypo, then it is a fact that you have an increased chance of becoming type II diabetic.

[KARMA8]

karma, please do some more research before you start insulin

I will I promise.
Thank you

[iron irish]

I must say I'm considering using slin,but am a little spooked by it.But I think that's a good thing because the shit is no joke.It can and will kill you if you Fuck up,and it only takes on mistake.That's why I have been heeding Gavin's warning in his insulin thread and continuing my education on it up to this point.When or if I do try it I am planning on starting out extra conservativly:1 or 2 ius,PW only twice a week.I can always move it up a little down the road but that way is safer til I see how my body reacts.My 2ccs.

[Genome]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but hypoglycemic people have a more pronounced Insulin reponse than most people to High level of sugar in blood. So if you take a post workout shake with high GI sugar you should get a higher insulin spike than most people... And you want to add even more insulin to that? I think you should be very carefull with that stuff and do your research like you said.

Some hypoglycemic can develop Insulin insentivity with time if we they dont watch their simple sugar intake because the body produce too much insulin all the time and then they can become diabetic at worse.