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comebackkid
07-24-2006, 10:56 PM
Hello All,

I'm new here and am about to begin my first cycle. I'm going to outline it plus ask a few questions that I hope I can get some answers to. Thanks in advance.

I plan on doing 400 mg of Test Ethanate and 300 mg of Eq a week.

I will do the first dosage of Test on a Monday and the first dose of Eq on Thursday.

I will run the Test for 11 weeks

I will run the Eq for 10 weeks

I have novalex on hand in the event of side effects

I will be administering Clomid 14 days after the last Test shot and 19 days after the last Eq shot. I will do 300 mg the first day, 100mg for the following 10 days and 50 mgs for 10 days after that

I have HCG (Pregnyl) 3 amps, each 5000 i.u., but I'm not sure how to break it down. Here are some questions:

-How does one use HCG when in the 5000 iu amps as opposed to the viles? Does the whole solution have to be used right away? Can it be stored in a syringe? Refridgerated?Anyone's thoughts?

-Some places read that HCG should begin immediately after discontinuance of AAS while other read that HCG should begin after the half-live of all the various susbstances has been exausted. So what is it? The day after or after the half life? If its after the half life, does this mean that HCG administration and Clomid therapy are started at the same time? Immediately after seems wrong since you could finish the HCG and still shut down since the chemicals are still active in the body....but I thought I'd ask for clarification. What about HCG administered during the cycle? Remember, I only have 3 x 5000 iu ampules.

-Some suggest taking Novalex during the last few weeks of a cycle, even if side effects are not present to prevent estrogen from binding to the recepters in anticipation of the HCG doses. Your thoughts? Is the estrogen created from the HCG dangerous to the maintaining of gains and therefore Novalex is suggested even without the appearance of side effects?

-Does anyone have any opinions about taking clenbuterol or ephedrine after the cycle to block out the catabolic effect of the increased cortisone level? Is this necessary? Does it work? How much clen or ephedrine? When should it begin? How long should it be taken?

Thanks people.

rocky168
07-24-2006, 11:42 PM
i've been wondering about the clen and eca stack as part of pct......
fellas?

comebackkid
07-25-2006, 09:41 AM
bump :troutslap:

LargeMan
07-25-2006, 10:42 AM
i've been wondering about the clen and eca stack as part of pct......
fellas?


ECA stack if ANYTHING would increase catabolism, it increase's metabolism, and burns extra calories, anything that cause's calorie burn will decrease muscle size to some extent (ie. energy is burned from muscle/fat/glucose)I'd use them when trying to get or stay cut, I dont believe they have any affect on PCT

comebackkid
07-25-2006, 01:37 PM
ECA stack if ANYTHING would increase catabolism, it increase's metabolism, and burns extra calories, anything that cause's calorie burn will decrease muscle size to some extent (ie. energy is burned from muscle/fat/glucose)I'd use them when trying to get or stay cut, I dont believe they have any affect on PCT

What about ephedrine's effects on cortisone?

Dave-O
07-25-2006, 02:51 PM
actually, potential, some studies have shown eca to be somewhat anabolic in regards to its ability to increase protein synthesis. heres a clip from the article i am posting a link to. interesting reading, and hopefully fodder for debate in another thread.
"The assertion that beta-agonists such as clenbuterol and ephedrine have no anabolic effects in humans is premature. There is a large difference in the dosages normally given to animals (4 mg/kg) as compared to humans (up to 40 µg/day). Slow release Salbutamol has been shown to increase voluntary muscle strength in healthy men.30,31 Research showing preservation of lean tissue and significantly improved protein deposition in response to treatment with ephedrine during caloric restriction indicates that beta-agonists are exerting an anabolic effect in humans.14 More research is needed to determine the extent and most efficacious way to administer these compounds to elicit an anabolic effect in man."

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/haycock/ephedrine-and-beta-adrenergic-receptors.htm

SMASHING MACHINE
07-25-2006, 05:02 PM
500mg Test E. stat.