The hard, cold FACTS about Somatorm

[bearcat]

Hello all,

Some of you may have read about my dissatisfaction with Somatorm in other threads. I have started this thread to let everyone know that SOMATORM as provided by PEL (the manufacturer) is top-notch HGH and is as effective or more effective than any other brand on the market.

My dissatisfaction with the product stems from mishandling (and other mistakes made) by a particular US remailer. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with anyone by naming names or playing 'he said' , 'she said'. I will simply state that I'm a respected, longtime Bolex member who has never been accused of taking sides in any dispute and I have absolutely nothing to gain by backing and promoting what I believe is a reliable, valuable product.

My sole purpose of this thread is to let everyone know that if you've been disappointed by Somatorm for whatever reason that it is due to mishandling by your remailer. I strongly recommend that everyone who wishes to try (or continue) running HGH purchase their gear directly from PEL. PEL (unlike certain remailers) knows how to handle the product and will stand behind it 110%.

I will state on the record that PEL is the most honest, trustworthy source (I use 'source' for lack of a better word when indeed he is the manufacturer) I have ever come across in this game.

In conclusion, after doing MUCH research I have decided that I'm not going to let one remailer's mistakes ruin the reputation of a stand-up, reliable manufacturer such as PEL.

Peace

[jack thomas]

I will state on the record that PEL is the most honest, trustworthy source (I use 'source' for lack of a better word when indeed he is the manufacturer) I have ever come across in this game.


Peace

There are shitload of unsatisfied customers that i know personally....i was a very strong supporter of there product,but right now i wont even recommend there product to my worst enemy untill i can see some kind of test result backing up there products.Just my honest opinion.

j/t.

[bearcat]

There are shitload of unsatisfied customers that i know personally....i was a very strong supporter of there product,but right now i wont even recommend there product to my worst enemy untill i can see some kind of test result backing up there products.Just my honest opinion.

j/t.

j/t
Did you buy directly from PEL -every time? Or did you go through a remailer?

[pandasys]

What were the mishandling and other mistakes? How would determine there were mistakes unless the remailer admitted them? Given that many products are basically packaged in the same fashion, except aq type, it seems any product coming from this remailer could potentially be mishandled as well.

If it's propep you're talking about, I'd be even more interested. If there's been a problem I'd at least keep my orders small. Definitely smaller than my last one.

[Enanthanator]

You know what...I have never liked their products at all. I wasted enough money ordering from PEL directly. I ordered 5mg of IGF and they were kind enough to ship that to me in one fucking vial. This was before anyone was using AA to recon it. I asked PEL what was I supposed to do??? He never even responded. Total waste of money. My best friend also ordered directly from PEL and literally threw his somatorm away. Garbage. I have to seriously doubt the mishandling of PEL's products from propeptide. I have used other products from Propeptides and had excellent experiences...

[bearcat]

Big E,

You've drawn your conclusions based on experience and information garnered and I've drawn mine. I have no desire whatsoever to argue this with you (or anyone for that matter). The reason I started this post is because I had said in several other threads how I was disappointed in the Somatorm product and I have since realized that it was not the product but rather the service involved that left me disappointed. I've since learned some things and experienced some things that have led me to change my mind about Somatorm. I'm not going to "push" the product on anyone. I simply wanted to set the record straight about my comments in previous threads.

[Enanthanator]

Not arguing with you at all Bear, I have nothing but respect for you and if someone fucked up along the lines only we get hurt. If it was propep or pel, we suffer not them. I am sure many people here have ordered from propep and have good experiences and obviously same thing with PEL. As far as who is to blame, I can only share my limited experiences with PEL with everyone and the ones I have had with propep. The PEL formula did change, we all know that. At that point is when the trouble started with Somatorm/Propep. I cant say for sure either way but like I said my other products from Propep I had no issues with.

If you have information about soma I would love to know as would many others...if you dont want to post it I kind of understand. But I will tell you this if I knew of there was information that could protect us, as a bodybuilding community I would share it. I dont give a shit about any source if they are not looking out for us.

[TheDon]

Maybe I am wrong, just heard a guy that ordered was being taken care of but it seems he ordered direct from PEL. Just got an email from him explaining.

[jack thomas]

Pel is standing up and doing the right thing. remailers are not responsible though.

The bad batches were damaged in production, Keep in mind these remailers have been remailing for years.

It happened to gensci a while back and they fixed it, now it happened to somatorm and they are taking care of it too.

Don

I will like to know how they are fixing the problem,because for awhile on this board all there reps. did was denied that anything was wrong with there products.As you know hundreds of people can't be wrong,expecialy the good bros that i know personally.

j/t.

[Enanthanator]

I would like to know that as well...

[TheDon]

Lets see how this plays out. My interest is for the guys of this board first

[bearcat]

Lets see how this plays out. My interest is for the guys of this board first

Not me. I'm just looking out for numero uno. The rest of you can suck hind tit.

-Actually, the whole reason for my post is so brothers would feel confident buying a quality (and cost efficient) product like Soma.

[Qwert]

ProP refused to send me any replacements & passed me onto PEL. I spoke to **** at PEL & he said although I dealt with ProP & he has already sent ProP a lot of replacements, he would replace my 20 bad Soma kits. He will hopefully be sending them in the next few days. This was very kind of him, as ProP dealt with me, made money off me &, imo, should be dealing with me. Either way, it looks like I may be taken care of by PEL. I will let everyone know if the package arrives.

[TheDon]

Not me. I'm just looking out for numero uno. The rest of you can suck hind tit.

-Actually, the whole reason for my post is so brothers would feel confident buying a quality (and cost efficient) product like Soma.


LMAO :fencing:

[comradebillyboy]

ProP refused to send me any replacements & passed me onto PEL. I spoke to **** at PEL & he said although I dealt with ProP & he has already sent ProP a lot of replacements, he would replace my 20 bad Soma kits. He will hopefully be sending them in the next few days. This was very kind of him, as ProP dealt with me, made money off me &, imo, should be dealing with me. Either way, it looks like I may be taken care of by PEL. I will let everyone know if the package arrives.

If you get the replacements from PEL, do let us know how you like the product compared to the othe brands you have used. My soma dissolves properly and no crud left over, but I don't think I can objectivly assess the stuff right now, especially since I take an 'anti-aging' dose so I am intrested in the results of you who take larger doses with more pronounced effects.

[ktjn]

Bottom line soma SUCKS, IMO and it was PEL not PP

[Enanthanator]

If you get the replacements from PEL, do let us know how you like the product compared to the othe brands you have used. My soma dissolves properly and no crud left over, but I don't think I can objectivly assess the stuff right now, especially since I take an 'anti-aging' dose so I am intrested in the results of you who take larger doses with more pronounced effects.

What I would do is take a larger dose for a day or two and see if you get sides...if you do than you should be good to go otherwise you might be injecting for nothing

[STEEDA69]

HMMMmm; There are some pretty good "stand up" bro's who advocate the use of 'Soma' and although I've never used this brand of HGH, I've never heard anything bad concerning PEL Soma. IMO why would someone pay more $$$ for something when there are so many other avenues to get it much cheaper and of Excellent quality? Only one... Good success!

JD~

[drugs-are-bad]

Have dealt with PEL for 6 months.

Never missed a beat with timely delivery.

Would recommend him to other Aussies.

[bearcat]

Bottom line soma SUCKS, IMO and it was PEL not PP


You are misinformed, my friend.

[ktjn]

You are misinformed, my friend.

LOL, if misinformed means 1000iu of worthless crap, then you are correct

[bearcat]

LOL, if misinformed means 1000iu of worthless crap, then you are correct

Well, did you get it from ProP or PEL? If you got it from ProP then I have no doubt you received bunk. If you got it direct from PEL then did you contact him? What was the response?

[trapz]

this is like fucking days of our lives, Propep stopped carrying the somas cuz he was having so many complaints on that bad batch... then when the heat is on PEL, they make good FINALLY, nice PR move i must say.

[TheDon]

Keep in mind that these remailers didn't just start remailing for PEL. In the case of one of them at least he has been doing it for years! and then all of a sudden a new formula comes out and it's not PELs fault? laughable at best.

Lets hope PEL comes through as he has now promised dozens that he would.

[SCJ]

This looks really bad.....Roll with me on this for second OK?

PEL comes up with a "new formula" that is shitty. Only sells it to remailer (ProPep) for distribution in U.S.

ProPep thrives, providing great customer service.

New formula proves to be bunk.

PEL escapes blame by calling out ProPep as a bad handler of Soma.

PEL also escapes blame by giving "good" product to bro's that order direct or are in Oz, hence the posts about "My Somas are fine"

Unwitting Bolex Member posts about how great PEL is.

This is getting really fucking hilarious.

My prediction....PEL is going to tell you guys about the weapons of mass destruction......haha

[jack thomas]

Yea they are full of shit,and now they are playing the blame game now.It is quite funny how easy some people are falling for there phoney damage control.I will probably respect PEL more if they just come out and say that they fucked up,and the bad products are going to be fixed.

j/t.

[Baliboner]

So far I'm about half way through the first bottle (for this time around) of Soma and am very unimpressed. No noticeable fat loss or muscle gain, no sides like numbness, lethargy, wrist pain, etc., and every injection stings / burns like hell for about three minutes.

I had a bad batch last time that didn't dissolve fully so I ordered bluetops instead, and what did I get? Soma. Everyone told me that I got a deal because the somas are more expensive, but I don't give a SHIT if they are more epxensive. I paid for soemthing that works and from what I can tell so far this isn't doing anything at all. God knows what I'm putting in my body that could hurt so bad.

I'm going to try and go get a blood test so I know for sure. I'll let you know how it goes.

I'm tired of this shit. From now on I'm just sticking to test and eq and will make my own trips down to Mexico. Fucking hell...

[Monte Brogan]

I'm on 4iu of Soma per day. It mixed without any problems, no residue or clumps in the solution. No injection pain whatsoever. I've only been on for 2 weeks but I don't feel anything at this point. No CTS or other sides to speak of.

I will most likely follow E's advice and up the dosage substantially for a few days to see if the sides surface. I don't want to waste any more of my time or money.

Monte

[Baliboner]

Monte let me know how it goes when yo up the dose.

What timing - the same night I post this my foot falls alseep while I'm laying in bed. I didn't have any pressure or anything on it; just laying there and it falls alseep. Then at the same time I notice a little wrist pain. This morning I wanted to have a quickie with the wife - which hasn't happened in a long, long time.

I moved the injection site forward a little (was going in on my love handles, not the stomach area more) and the burn isn't nearly as bad.

Still no lethargy (in fact, I have insomnia as usual) and not visible fat loss. That may take some more time.

All-in-all, I'm not 100% convinced yet and will still be getting a test as soon as my new health insurance kicks in, but I have a lot more faith than I did yesterday.

I'm curious to know about your experiences in upping the dose Monte.

[jucinator2]

these are all the reasons I just by jins. there cheap and there real and they work. Don't fix it , if it ain't broke!!!!!!1

[poppa_cracker]

respected??? who ever said you are respected??? :Banane33:


just fucking with ya bro!
Hello all,


I will simply state that I'm a respected, longtime Bolex member

[bearcat]

respected??? who ever said you are respected??? :Banane33:


just fucking with ya bro!

-Good point!

[cobra333]

4th Week On Soma ... Batch 2009 Feb Dont Have The Number Off Hand .. But I Have Wood Like Crazy In The Morning .. Tingly Finger Tips And My Hands Look Like Ape Hands Swollen Huge .... 3 Ius Daily 7 Days A Week ....

[bearcat]

wow. just 3iu/day? not 3iu in AM and 3iu in PM?

[pandasys]

4th Week On Soma ... Batch 2009 Feb Dont Have The Number Off Hand .. But I Have Wood Like Crazy In The Morning .. Tingly Finger Tips And My Hands Look Like Ape Hands Swollen Huge .... 3 Ius Daily 7 Days A Week ....

I get the same thing with somas at low dose. But it's just that some people are more sensitive than others. I get the exact same sides at similar doses of jins and norditropin. Soma seems a little more potent.

[Monte Brogan]

Monte let me know how it goes when yo up the dose.

What timing - the same night I post this my foot falls alseep while I'm laying in bed. I didn't have any pressure or anything on it; just laying there and it falls alseep. Then at the same time I notice a little wrist pain. This morning I wanted to have a quickie with the wife - which hasn't happened in a long, long time.

I moved the injection site forward a little (was going in on my love handles, not the stomach area more) and the burn isn't nearly as bad.

Still no lethargy (in fact, I have insomnia as usual) and not visible fat loss. That may take some more time.

All-in-all, I'm not 100% convinced yet and will still be getting a test as soon as my new health insurance kicks in, but I have a lot more faith than I did yesterday.

I'm curious to know about your experiences in upping the dose Monte.

Baliboner, I will keep you posted, but here's an update: I never thought anything of this until I read cobra333's post below, but since starting the Soma, I've been waking up with hard-ons constantly. This didn't happen prior to taking the GH. I don't recall having this side in the past, so it made me worry that I had HCG instead of GH.

Then, I started feeling a little bit of an itch under my nips. Now, this has happened to me before on GH due to the prolactin secretion. BUT, this could also happen with HCG b/c its throws you test levels through the roof. At any rate, I started taking Letro to combat the sides.

The bottom line is I'm still not sure what I have - and I can't stand it. My summer cycle has been delayed and delayed b/c I want to find out if my Somas is legit. Part of me wants to take the freakin financial loss and just reinvest...

Monte

[Qwert]

Baliboner, I will keep you posted, but here's an update: I never thought anything of this until I read cobra333's post below, but since starting the Soma, I've been waking up with hard-ons constantly. This didn't happen prior to taking the GH. I don't recall having this side in the past, so it made me worry that I had HCG instead of GH.

Then, I started feeling a little bit of an itch under my nips. Now, this has happened to me before on GH due to the prolactin secretion. BUT, this could also happen with HCG b/c its throws you test levels through the roof. At any rate, I started taking Letro to combat the sides.

The bottom line is I'm still not sure what I have - and I can't stand it. My summer cycle has been delayed and delayed b/c I want to find out if my Somas is legit. Part of me wants to take the freakin financial loss and just reinvest...

Monte

You can tell if it's HCG by testing it on a home pregnancy kit. It will tell you immediately. By the sound of things, you're injecting HCG, which is a commom substitute for bogus GH. From now on, I'm sticking to the Chinese Blue tops. They can be bought for just over $100 a kit, they're real & work better than any GH brand I've ever used, except for Serostim back in the day.

[Monte Brogan]

You can tell if it's HCG by testing it on a home pregnancy kit. It will tell you immediately. By the sound of things, you're injecting HCG, which is a commom substitute for bogus GH. From now on, I'm sticking to the Chinese Blue tops. They can be bought for just over $100 a kit, they're real & work better than any GH brand I've ever used, except for Serostim back in the day.

Thanks bro. I'll buy a test this weekend and give it a shot.

I need to get some of those Chinese Blue tops. Are these the ones from PP?

Monte

[Qwert]

Thanks bro. I'll buy a test this weekend and give it a shot.

I need to get some of those Chinese Blue tops. Are these the ones from PP?

Monte

PP just imports them from China & marks up the price. You're paying PP for having them ship it domestically. I order direct from China & get the same ones at half the price, guaranteed resend, if seized.

[Baliboner]

Well I did post on another thread that I droped about 5-8 mil directly onto the test, waited a moment and nothing changed, so I pissed on it for a few secs (since the hcg would have been in my body already...) and it came out negative.

I too am getting the morning wood more regularly now, but that doesn't necessary mean it's HCG. I did start to get some of those other sides though.

But I'm a freakin insomniac and the side I was hoping for would be lethargy. It never came.

[cobra333]

mine is real ,,, 2009 i thought it was bunk ...but im getting sides after 4 weeks .... 3 ius total ... i know low .. but it works ..i get crazy se- urges with hcg ..... im not getting those urges ....lol and even crazier with test..not getting those neither.....lol dude my hands are triple the size .... ape .. the silver back s for real.......... 4 th week in ... 2 iu morn / 1 after workout ... crazy ass pumps ... it hurts..// 17 '' measured before workout ... 18 1/2 after workout arm days .... havent been on anything in 2 years ... clean blood nothing else im taking i mean nothing ... no multivitamisn no glutamine no creatine ... 1 protein shake a day ... no test...i did this clean blood ... i call it ....to test how my body reacts to a new substance after 2 years .... and after 4 weeks it finally kicked in ... its crazy . i wake up now with a woody and kinda like dissy or like i was knocked out from sleeping so deep .... blood pressure is crazy low in rem sleep /morning.....with this soma ...i thought it was bunk but what i have is real ...2009 exp new batch...

[mormussle]

There are shitload of unsatisfied customers that i know personally....i was a very strong supporter of there product,but right now i wont even recommend there product to my worst enemy untill i can see some kind of test result backing up there products.Just my honest opinion.

j/t.

I tried this stuff when it first came out. It was totally useless, I know my gh ,I have used a lot more of it than most people, over a 13 year period, all different brands, and even underground generic, that was still good. This somatorm, and the fake serostim kits were the only bad product I ever came accross. I called bull shit on both of these, and both times it started a spam war like you would not believe. I'm sure some of you older guys remember how dozens and dozens of people jumped to there defence, and were swearing how good it was. UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT SAID THE SEROSTIM KITS THAT WERE BEING SOLD BY DP, BY THE THOUSANDS WERE ALL FAKE AND CONTAINED A FORM OF SUGAR. HOW GOOD ARE THEY NOW/??????? THE TRUTH ALLWAYS COMES OUT IN THE LONG RUN.

[minihulk]

Thats pretty funny if some of the batch's were injectible dextrose...!!!

[Monte Brogan]

Guys, I'm going out this afternoon to pick up a pregnancy test to see if these kits are HCG. But I have been taking 4iu per day for close to a month with little to show for it. I had a little tenderness in the nipples for a day or two, but some Letro ended that rather quickly. I had some mild CTS on one, maybe two mornings, but that was it.

No fat loss, sense of well being, etc. Maybe I'm being too critical; I know GH takes time to work. But after all the negative press surrounding these kits, I think I have a right to be suspicious.

I might follow Qwert's advice and stick to the ones he's using. Qwert, can you PM me at your convenience?

Thanks,
Monte

[tigersx4]

i tried the soma's a little over a year ago and it was pure mother fucking shit!@!!! i did the crap for 3 months and after nothing i upped my dose to 20iu's per day for shits and giggles and no sides whatsoever!! i still get mad as fuck when i think about it... i guess that's part of the game but soma's can suck my pimpled up, hairy, cellulited, carcass smelling ass. i went with jin's and at 6iu's per day i had to back off because the pain was unbearable in my hands. atleast i knew it was good....

[trapz]

its worth doing the pregnancy test since it is so cheap to do, but i really doubt any fakes nowadays even the past 10 yrs have hcg in them, since it is so easy to test for...

another thing, i remember hearing about the shit/fake kits having loose powder instead of lypholized powder in them.... i have never seen any sort of legit HGH OR HCG come as loose powder.

i remember all the bullshit posted by PEL how it was a new formulation and that is why it was loose but just as good with less preservatives taht didnt cause the welts.

monte you know i've seen enough GH kits as well as some of our buddies have.. the ONE TIME i saw a GH kit (serostim) with loose powder, it was a legit box but someone had glued it shut and reshrinked wrapped it and put a bunch of fake vials in it to dump it i guess instead of getting stuck wtih it.

the bottles were noticeably taller, the box actually had to be glued shut apparently cuz you could feel even in the box they were a few mm taller than the real ones, as well as the powder, and bottle pacakging being obviously fake.

has anyone thought that maybe the original ones that caused welts were indeed legit, and probably the same type of GH as alot of the china GH like ansomone etc. that causes welts, or that it was a custom made job done by one of the chinese companies that had GH that caused welts but still worked great for many, regardless of the debate of the chinese stuff being 191 or 192 AA, most people still got the results they looked for.

that would make sense why the stuff made by PEL and somas that caused welts worked great for many, but the stuff that caused no pain and was loose powder worked like shit... almost like someone was trying to $$$ in on their companies rep..

however i cant see why PEL would want to ruin their biz like that for a quick cashout, i would think maybe the company they outsourced their GH production too fucked them, or they went with a new company that fucked them


ive never seen any other legit research labs (real labs that require documentation to order from not sites that advertise and cater to bber type "research" labs), nor have i seen any overseas lab or legit source dealing with one of the major chinese wholesale labs that carried peptides carry ONLY igf and hGH, every single one ive seen even if you had to ask if it wasnt on the list, also carries MGF and pegMGF, pt141, and plenty of the other growth hormone releasing peptides etc.

only other thing i can think of about why the loose shit worked like such shit... maybe they imported the powder in loose form and tried to package it themselves individually in each vial with a really good scale in loose form, and the shit went bad since it wasnt lypholized straight from the factory.

anyone got any other ideas? ive been around GH for 8-10 yrs and seen serostim, nutropin aq's more than i could count as well as jintropins, fittropin, and even the original 4iu blue top chinese generics that were first carried by IP 6 or more years ago!! im just trying to shoot my ideas out there to get to the bottom of this, since ill also be using hGH for a good portion of the rest of my life i imagine just for the chance that it helps prevent degenerative disc disease from worsening.

anyone got an opinion on my comment about it most likely being outsourced chinese hGH with a custom label?

[Qwert]

Too much information

[mormussle]

you hit it on the head bro, I got stuck years ago with 6 of those fake serostim kits, the powder was loose like you said, Just like the somatorms I got, that were totally useless to .Read my post under 192 191 gh. I believe you are also right on about the repackaging thing.

[ZOBEX]

When we were trying to cut costs Ankebio offered me bulk pack rHGH but considering how much trouble there can be just receiving a batch of bottles, we did not want to explain to customs why we were receiving a kilo of bulk white powder from China. I didn't think the lawyer fees would justify the cost savings. You can buy the glass vials, tops and even varied color caps with crimping tool off the internet.

Z

[Monte Brogan]

Qwert, further to what Trapz mentioned above, do the blue tops come as loose powder, or is the powder in a circular disc?

Monte

[Monte Brogan]

however i cant see why PEL would want to ruin their biz like that for a quick cashout, i would think maybe the company they outsourced their GH production too fucked them, or they went with a new company that fucked them

Trapz, you raise some valid points. Maybe their outsourcing company screwed them. That's a possibility. But the end result is that the PEL name has been irrevocably damaged. Who's going to buy product from them again?

Monte

[jack thomas]

Qwert, further to what Trapz mentioned above, do the blue tops come as loose powder, or is the powder in a circular disc?

Monte

All my blue tops are disc no loosey.

j/t.

[SCJ]

Blues in Disc Form here.

[Qwert]

Qwert, further to what Trapz mentioned above, do the blue tops come as loose powder, or is the powder in a circular disc?

Monte

Circular. Loose powder is crap. The blue tops available from various Chinese sources are all the same. They all come from the same place. You just save a lot of $$$ by going direct, instead of paying the middle man.

Loose powder generally means the source bougth bulk GH, weighed it out & refilled hsi own vials with GH. This is a sure fire way to ruin GH. I suspect, this is what happened with Somas. I still can't get over the ultra cheap label & the fact that they don't even come with sealed tops.

[ZOBEX]

Circular. Loose powder is crap. The blue tops available from various Chinese sources are all the same. They all come from the same place. You just save a lot of $$$ by going direct, instead of paying the middle man.

Loose powder generally means the source bougth bulk GH, weighed it out & refilled hsi own vials with GH. This is a sure fire way to ruin GH. I suspect, this is what happened with Somas. I still can't get over the ultra cheap label & the fact that they don't even come with sealed tops.

Besides the question of strength and aging of the goods, what would concern me is when you hand measure each vial worth, how accurate is the weight in each vial??

I don't mind rolling my own, after all, we rolled our own in the late 60's and 70's, but when treating yourself with medication I want consistency. Just because I LOOK like Tommy Chong does mean I want to SOUND like Tommy Chong.

Z

[Monte Brogan]

Qwert, SCJ and j/t - thanks for responses. I'm going to take the monetary loss on the Somas and pick up some blues. The feedback on the blues sounds overwhelmingly positive, and I'm not reckless enough to inject some unknown substance into my body these days.

I will take the loss and move on. No guarantees in this game, and this risk comes with the territory now that domestic Serostim kits are so hard to find. For that, I would like to say "F*ck you" to the U.S. government.

Monte

[Rocky99]

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[Baliboner]

All I know is the bottle I just finished didn't do anything a bottle of dextrose wouldn't do. I'm going to try a week of high dose with the second bottle and if there are no sides, no fat loss, no muscle, etc. I'm just going to throw the rest of the shit out. I'd rather do that than continue injecting some unknown substance into my stomach twice a day.

This is bullshit. With all of the counterfeit drug problems going around (did you read that story about all the kids who were killed in Panama (http://www.usrecallnews.com/2007/05/chemicals-from-china-not-killing-just.html) by counterfeit Chinese cough syrup ingredients? And the pet food bullshit...) . They'll do it to children in Central America and our dogs and cats - what, you don't think some cheap ass counterfeit drug maker in China would do it to us too? Mark my words - one of these days these boards are going to be full of people who are on their way to or just got out of the hospital. Then there will be a few poor saps who we don't hear from at all because they died. It will make a good headline: "Underground Steroids Kill Hundreds" All because the US government won't let educated adults buy legitimate hormone replacement therapy drugs from an FDA regulated supplier.

But I can still go buy a pack of Marlboros. Bull$hit!

[Monte Brogan]

All I know is the bottle I just finished didn't do anything a bottle of dextrose wouldn't do. I'm going to try a week of high dose with the second bottle and if there are no sides, no fat loss, no muscle, etc. I'm just going to throw the rest of the shit out. I'd rather do that than continue injecting some unknown substance into my stomach twice a day.

This is bullshit. With all of the counterfeit drug problems going around (did you read that story about all the kids who were killed in Panama (http://www.usrecallnews.com/2007/05/chemicals-from-china-not-killing-just.html) by counterfeit Chinese cough syrup ingredients? And the pet food bullshit...) . They'll do it to children in Central America and our dogs and cats - what, you don't think some cheap ass counterfeit drug maker in China would do it to us too? Mark my words - one of these days these boards are going to be full of people who are on their way to or just got out of the hospital. Then there will be a few poor saps who we don't hear from at all because they died. It will make a good headline: "Underground Steroids Kill Hundreds" All because the US government won't let educated adults buy legitimate hormone replacement therapy drugs from an FDA regulated supplier.

But I can still go buy a pack of Marlboros. Bull$hit!

Baliboner, I posted the article about the Panama deaths in the Steroids section. If you want to see something disturbing, watch the video on the New York Times website, who broke the story in a massive investigative piece. The effects of the drug are HORRIFIC.

As for your prediction, sadly, I think you are right. We are playing with fire. And like you, I'm tossing the Somas and taking the substantial financial loss.

Monte

[SydBB]

i bought around 2000 iu from **** and have used it for 2 - 3 months using the 3 x per week 10 iu plan, I have experienced little or no effects. Im going to try it everyday at 10 iu and see what happens. I am in australia. I have the loose powder ones but the vial is sealed? My vials are all sealed but have the crap label etc. how can this be when i have had various mods from this forum tell me that the product is good?
ill let you know what happens when i start the 10 iu / day, how long should it take before i feel sides? Ive never felt any sides at all.

[Rocky99]

sydbb refer to my above post #57.
All the praise was about the old formular that was not loose & vacume sealed.
All the complaints are about the new formular which is the loose powder one.

[Qwert]

I have a batch of the new Somas that **** was kind enough to resend. However, the powder is loose & the mixture still doesn't mix 100%. It mixes way better than the old Somas, which barely mixed, but the new batch mixes maybe 80%, with 20% of the powder still floating around. I did my usual 10iu a day, switching from the blue tops to the new Somas, & within a few days, all my GH sides went away. Unfortunately, whoever is making the new Somas is screwing up big time, leaving in it's path, a huge number of dissatisfied customers & a bad rep for PEL.

[trapz]

shit what good is a resend if its still the same shitty loose stuff?? think they would have realized taht after the first batch packed like that got horrible feedback

[Qwert]

shit what good is a resend if its still the same shitty loose stuff?? think they would have realized taht after the first batch packed like that got horrible feedback

I don't quite understand it myself. I'm grateful for the resend. However, it's the same loose powder / none mixing vials. I've been on it for a few days at 10iu & now 20iu a day & all that's happening is that all the water & aches I had from using the blue tops is going away more each day. 20ius of real GH a day would normally make my head explode with high BP & my hands ache liek crazy. Unfortunately, the opposite is happening. I just give up now. I got burned badly & it's time to move on.

[Monte Brogan]

Qwert, you did all you could but I agree its time to move on. No one likes to take a loss, but sometimes we have to (I'm doing the same thing). I will never touch a PEL product again.

I know we might disagree on this point, but I still support PP as I believe he was burned on this more than anyone. I believe he acted in good faith and was screwed by PEL. Whether PEL intentionally screwed him, we'll never know.

Best,
Monte

[drugs-are-bad]

20ius of real GH a day would normally make my head explode with high BP & my hands ache liek crazy. Unfortunately, the opposite is happening. I just give up now. I got burned badly & it's time to move on.

Weeelll then Mr Expert - you're using crap now then. GH will not raise BP. It will in fact improve your lipid profile and lowering BP.

[Qwert]

Weeelll then Mr Expert - you're using crap now then. GH will not raise BP. It will in fact improve your lipid profile and lowering BP.

I'm no expert, but high dose GH will cause edema, which will lead to high BP. That's common knowledge. Try 10-20iu a day sometime & tell me it won't raise your BP. These are not HRT dosages!!!

[SydBB]

so do i just throw the gh (i.e my $4000) in the bin? its hard not to get pissed about this. does the fucking igf work? why have mods told me the stuff is good? what are pel going to do about this? have they said anything?

[Qwert]

so do i just throw the gh (i.e my $4000) in the bin? its hard not to get pissed about this. does the fucking igf work? why have mods told me the stuff is good? what are pel going to do about this? have they said anything?

I used 2 PEL IGF vials. One was good, from a long time ago. It felt no different than the generic IGF I get from china. Except it cost 300% more. The 2nd vial didn't mix. The flakes floated around & would clog the syringe. I used ot anaway & felt nothing.

As for somas, PEL or ProP. It's a write off...& as much as it hurts, all you can do is walk away & take the loss & take your business elsewhere. I got burned for $6k worth of useless GH & there's nothing I can do. Even the resends from PEL don't mix or work. I appreciate the PEL resend. I really do!!! But what good is it if it's still the same as the old batch, ie: not mixing, clogging the syringe, no effects etc. My advise is to go direct to China & get REAL GH & IGF for a fraction of the PEL / ProP prices. :(

[bearcat]

Not to beat a dead horse but...........

Because PEL has gone above and beyond the call of duty with me in several aspects (not just resending HGH) and because of his candor with me I REALLY want to be able to promote his product. The new HGH he sent me is loose powder and because of the entire 2nd page of this thread I began to worry that I might be wasting my time with this stuff -the way I did with ALL the HGH I got from Gavin (err, ProP....I mean Gavin, or was it ProP?).

Anyway, I wrote PEL and asked him to view this thread and reply to my concerns about the loose powder. Here is his response:

"I read that post, and the customers who are experiencing increased erections, etc are experiencing those because of the hgh. NOT HCG, as a pregnancy test will verify that.

I will tell you that the new formula is not as stable as the old but it causes less welts. Remember the company we contract to outsource the manufacturing makes it loose. This is the way some companies are now going, there's a new RX hgh which comes loose.

Also there's a customer who got a lab test on the new loose formula and it came up 100%, so Im going to try and source that.

Remember hgh works slowly and gradually, your blood work will also show its accuracy. Remember that hgh also needs test & T3 to do its
real magic.

PS-The cusomers complaining were not my customers and did not order from me or the company direct. But yet I have reimbursed many of those customers such as you."


Anyone care to respond to any of his comments? I mean some kind of thought-provoking or dialogue-inducing comments, not just 'he's full of shit' or anything to that effect?

Also, anyone know who got that lab test done that he mentioned? I was wanting to get one of the vials he sent me tested but I was told by several people on this board that there is no way to test HGH.

Peace

[Enanthanator]

Yea well you know Pel has done for me??? Not a fucking thing...I only got burnt on a $1k of his fucking shit...then he didnt he even respond to me...so Pel can fuck off. He went above and beyond to make sure he took my money, and about $2k from my friend. Ordered directly from him...So let me say once again, that pel sucks ass imho, and has done so since day fucking 1. My friend threw away all of his GH from PEL and my IGF-lr3, which was supposedly from propep, was ruined because you can not use 5mgs in a 4 week time period and the asshole couldnt even tell me how to recon it correctly in order to make it last longer...So once again pel can go fuck himself. Yes, Pel is a great company...He was so smart, he specifically told me not to use Acetic Acid when reconning my 5mg of igf...fucking dick

[bearcat]

E, don't hold back.

[Enanthanator]

lmfao!!! I wont!!!

[Enanthanator]

He wouldnt listen to me 3 or 4 years ago when I was a nobody on this board...nor would anyone that recommended him

[jack thomas]

Yea well you know Pel has done for me??? Not a fucking thing...I only got burnt on a $1k of his fucking shit...then he didnt he even respond to me...so Pel can fuck off. He went above and beyond to make sure he took my money, and about $2k from my friend. Ordered directly from him...So let me say once again, that pel sucks ass imho, and has done so since day fucking 1. My friend threw away all of his GH from PEL and my IGF-lr3, which was supposedly from propep, was ruined because you can not use 5mgs in a 4 week time period and the asshole couldnt even tell me how to recon it correctly in order to make it last longer...So once again pel can go fuck himself. Yes, Pel is a great company...He was so smart, he specifically told me not to use Acetic Acid when reconning my 5mg of igf...fucking dick

BigE really tell me how you feel....lol!,honestly i said my piece concerning the company so i have no more to say.

j/t.

[firefightermac]

your blood work will also show its accuracy.

Anyone care to respond to any of his comments? I mean some kind of thought-provoking or dialogue-inducing comments, not just 'he's full of shit' or anything to that effect?


Peace

We got the blood work done. This was from GH sourced straight from him. Normal range is 0-6.0 Our result after injecting 12iu 1hour prior to blood test. 0.9!!! Take from that what you want.

[SCJ]

Not to beat a dead horse but...........

Because PEL has gone above and beyond the call of duty with me in several aspects (not just resending HGH) and because of his candor with me I REALLY want to be able to promote his product. The new HGH he sent me is loose powder and because of the entire 2nd page of this thread I began to worry that I might be wasting my time with this stuff -the way I did with ALL the HGH I got from Gavin (err, ProP....I mean Gavin, or was it ProP?).

Anyway, I wrote PEL and asked him to view this thread and reply to my concerns about the loose powder. Here is his response:

"I read that post, and the customers who are experiencing increased erections, etc are experiencing those because of the hgh This is BS, HGH is not a sex drug, where is the data on that?. NOT HCG, as a pregnancy test will verify that.

I will tell you that the new formula is not as stable as the old but it causes less welts. Remember the company we contract to outsource the manufacturing makes it loose. This is the way some companies are now going, there's a new RX hgh which comes loose. Company name? Contact?

Also there's a customer who got a lab test on the new loose formula and it came up 100%, so Im going to try and source that. Source that? If it's a customer and you know the result, ask him for it!

Remember hgh works slowly and gradually But bumping to 10iu should give you edema like a mofo!, your blood work will also show its accuracy. Remember that hgh also needs test & T3 to do its
real magic. Once you add the test and t-3, you won't notice the GH not working

PS-The cusomers complaining were not my customers and did not order from me or the company direct. But yet I have reimbursed many of those customers such as you." Because it costs me nothing to do it, I'm shipping bunk gear, remember?


Anyone care to respond to any of his comments? I mean some kind of thought-provoking or dialogue-inducing comments, not just 'he's full of shit' or anything to that effect?

Also, anyone know who got that lab test done that he mentioned? I was wanting to get one of the vials he sent me tested but I was told by several people on this board that there is no way to test HGH.

Peace

Thought provoke that. Biatch! j/K

[MrAust92]

so do i just throw the gh (i.e my $4000) in the bin? its hard not to get pissed about this. does the fucking igf work? why have mods told me the stuff is good? what are pel going to do about this? have they said anything?

Mate

Any feedback you have received from Mods (this includes me as we discussed this via PM) is based on their personal experience.

I can state 110% that the Mods on this board are not associated with ANY sources, period. This includes PEL.

Lets keep the discussion clean and leave names and locations out of it.

regards

MA92

[SydBB]

:fight:

[SydBB]

yeah mr aust understood mate. i wasnt suggesting that, sorry if it came off that way.

[MrAust92]

No drama mate, just wanted to be crystal clear thats all.

cheers

[TheDon]

The people who are unsatisfied should get blood work done and that will put the issue to rest once and for all..

AN IGF level test runs less than a hundred bucks.

[mule]

All I know is the bottle I just finished didn't do anything a bottle of dextrose wouldn't do. I'm going to try a week of high dose with the second bottle and if there are no sides, no fat loss, no muscle, etc. I'm just going to throw the rest of the shit out. I'd rather do that than continue injecting some unknown substance into my stomach twice a day.

This is bullshit. With all of the counterfeit drug problems going around (did you read that story about all the kids who were killed in Panama (http://www.usrecallnews.com/2007/05/chemicals-from-china-not-killing-just.html) by counterfeit Chinese cough syrup ingredients? And the pet food bullshit...) . They'll do it to children in Central America and our dogs and cats - what, you don't think some cheap ass counterfeit drug maker in China would do it to us too? Mark my words - one of these days these boards are going to be full of people who are on their way to or just got out of the hospital. Then there will be a few poor saps who we don't hear from at all because they died. It will make a good headline: "Underground Steroids Kill Hundreds" All because the US government won't let educated adults buy legitimate hormone replacement therapy drugs from an FDA regulated supplier.

But I can still go buy a pack of Marlboros. Bull$hit!



great point, real legit american products should be available, the stupid governmnet made things worse by what they did , they supposedly put the laws tomake things safer , well its way worse with people using all the underground crap around


the difference between american and european raw materials compared to most of the crap coming out of china is tremendous

[Enanthanator]

I am so done with this thread and any other pel related thread. Way too much drama and bullshit associated with pel.