GH for PCT use

[dan gable]

Has anyone ever used lets say 2iu ED for a few weeks/months after a cycle and during PCT... I was thinking about this and was wondering if it could greatly help in the length/amount of muscle you were to retain. My thinking behind this may be waaaaay off base but hey thats why im asking about it. I have always heard that when you do longer cycles its easier to maintain more mass and for a longer time period ( PLEASE DONT SAY ITS ALL ABOUT THE PCT YOU DO!!! I KNOW THIS AND IT SHOULD BE A GIVEN). So if you were to do a 14 week cycle (test E and EQ combo) and during and after your pct run GH for maybe a month or two wouldnt that be a good way to let your body get used to the dropping test levels??? again I may be wayyyy of base here. Then by the time your test levels have stabilzed you would be almost done with you GH.....

I know people say you have to run test with gh but think of it this way. my test levels will still be raised for some time after my last injection because im using test E and EQ. and I would be using the Gh more for the purpose of maintaining then for building muscle. If im wrong just let me know.....and if you could give the mechanics behind why im wrong and not "just because"

thanks!!!

[TheFollistatin]

Sure, HGH is going to help sustain muscle mass post cycle and help you to shed body fat, while you're maintaining that muscle.

A more cost effective way of maintaining mass after a cycle is to 'lock in' your gains with IGF-1. It also works as an alternative to SERMs post cycle and will keep body fat low while increasing appetite to maintain caloric intake and sustain anabolism.

Personally I did IGF-1 for 5 weeks before a cycle. My theory was I'd induce hyperplasia (baby muscle fibers) and allow them to mature during the upcoming cycle. The last week of IGF-1 use, I was doing 80mcg ED and I started sustanon. The last week the scale jumped up about 6lbs and my body composition changed rapidly - i literally grew everyday! I grew in the next 16 weeks following the IGF from Sust/Tren Enan (9 weeks), then test Enanthate (7 weeks), but not as rapidly like I did from IGF-1, to be honest.

The point is I have been 'off' for 10 weeks now and although I'm not as freaky as I was from the water weight, I haven't low any strength or muscle to speak of. Perhaps a bit, but nothing to speak of. I don't really see myself running a cycle again without the use of IGF-1.

my next cycle, after careful research employs the use of a compound with high anabolic and low androgenic activity with low sides, a compound with high androgenic activity (which has been show to increase IGF-1 sensitivity), testosterone for libido, and IGF-1. IGF-1 will also be employed for PCT.

long anabolic phase:
1-16 Equipoise 600mg p/w

Androgenic / IGF-1 sensitivity building phase:
1-6: Test Prop 50mg ED
1-6: Tren Ace 50mg ED

IGF-1 phase for synergy w/ test&tren and semi-mid-cycle pct:
4-9: IGF-1 40mcg ED (97% purity).

Libido and extra muscle retention phase:
5-16 Test E 600mg pw

PCT and extra muscle retention:
19-22: IGF-1 40mcg ED (97% purity)

Basically the cycle is set up for a 9 week IGF/Tren (read up on their synergy) rapid growth phase followed by an additional 7 week Test/EQ phase, finished off with IGF-1 PCT to really help mature baby muscle fibers and 'bring the boys' back to size.

Hope that helped. muscle growth when using GH is mediated by IGF-1, by the way, so using either one would definately help to lock in gains - GH would be a longer process and prob. be just as effective if not more.

[Baliboner]

That is exactly my plan for this cycle, except instead of GH I'm using IGF-1. I don't think you are "wayyyyy" off base at all. From all of the studies and anecdotal stories I have read, IGF has absolutely nothing to do with your test level (at least not in any negative way) so while my test is getting back to normal levels I will be off-setting muscle loss and fat gain by taking 40mcg of IGF each day for 50 days.

I don't know when you plan on starting this, but my IGF pct begins in one week so I should be able to give you some first-hand commentary on how well this idea works. I'm sure I am not the first, so hopefully some others will get on here before then and let us BOTH know what it did for them.

Good luck bro!

[dan gable]

Thanks guys!!! I thought that using gh or now that you mention it IGFwould work to help maintain and solidify gains....and Bali please really do keep us updated!!!! maybe a week by week post!!! and bring back one....i mean thefollistatin....lol.....looks like you have learned a lot in the short time you have been here....we spoke a while back before the great crash..lol keep me up to date on your progress as well!!! you both will get a PM from me soon!!!
CHEERS GUYS!!!
any more input would be great!!!

[dan gable]

come on I know some one on here has some info to add!!!

[Rocky99]

mate ive thought about this as well & what i decided to do is after gym 6 ius of gh mon,wed,fri along with 10 ius of insulin same days & 40 mcgs of igf everyday.ive been doing this for 3 wks now & my weight hasnt dropped a bit (276lbs)& my eating hasnt been as good as it could be.i also started using 20mgs/day of nolva at the begining of the third wk with some hcg.I am noticablly leaner tho which is always welcome especially when im not dieting.

[Baliboner]

Sizematters, do I know you from board of same name over in Australia? I lived on the Gold Coast going to uni at Bond when I hang out on those boards. That was about two years ago.

[Rocky99]

bali mate i was a member of the sizematters board but i was more of a lurker then a poster