patrick arnold just made ESPN

[trapz]

i guess he blew up everyones spot on HBO 2nite.. i forgot about it.... good for him it seems like he is the one who got thrown under the bus anyway.. did conte even get any fucking time?

[Manlord]

that guy is a genious. Not very often you find a guy with that kind of scientific knoweladge. Pity that everything he makes gets taken off the market within a few years, now he is left with very little garbage that they sell at ergopharm.

[trapz]

i used to chat with PA all the way back since the mid 90's on misc.fitness.weights...

we need more guys like him and bill roberts instead of scam artists like anthony connors stealing bill roberts last name and cashing in on it.

PA practices what he preaches if you ever see a pic of hinm

[microzide]

shit, i remember him from misc. fitness. weights. I ordered some of the original Andro before it was even labeled. That was like 1993.

Also, it caused my first case of gyno, lol.

[dunhill225]

cant stand him. makes money of people then starts useing names. maybe YOUR sorce should come forward and start talking bout YOU? code in the drug bizz, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. smartest thing about him is he chose the rt drug 2 push. other drugs and he would "dissapear".

[Finafreak71]

I agree, very bad judgement to come forward on national tv and admit to his and others criminality. Deny, Deny, Deny.....Omerta.........Later Fina

[mule]

i always liked him but he is acting like an assclown right now. maybe this is some sort of personal vendatta that is the only way i can explain what he doing now, i have no idea why he has such a big mouth right now , shut you trap buddy

[holyintellect]

Pat is a very close friend of mine...Just to clear some things up for those of you were are obviously either out of the loop, or sadly misinformed......

Pat didnt go looking for the exposure, it came to him....he is very introverted and has been asked to do tons of interviews.....He chose not to and to remain on the low...after watching the antics of Victor Conte, Pat decided to tell his side of the story....Now, in case you dont know, Victor is an idiot and has no idea what he was doing. Pat developed all the stuff the athletes used. So essentially, Victor is getting rich, driving a Bentley and still living the life, while Pat cant. He has been barred by the FDA for even trying to develop anything that resembles a testosterone enhancing supplement. Fuck Conte.....Let Pat get a little exposure to try to boost his company....How is that wrong? How did he let anything out of the bag? Its already out there on the table.....Pat served his time, just like Victor. Let the guy make some money now off the fact he is a genius. As a matter of fact, each and every one of you should hope that he continues to want to do shit for us like articles, books, etc....there sure as hell isnt anyone else out there as knowledgeable and as genuine as he is......I can vouch for that.

There is simply a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that 99% of you guys have no idea about. And never will.

holy

[dunhill225]

he may be ur friend and he is a bright guy BUT he is a dirtbag for saying ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE. like I said he is VERY lucky he chose juice instead of other substances 2 deal. just the truth. the way certain people are getting into the gear biz soon it wont matter. ALL substances will go thru them soon. in major cities the local gym dealer will be gone. peace

[holyintellect]

Pat is a dirtbag because Bob Costas asked him is he thought Barry Bonds juiced? Thats nuts. He made it very clear he had never even met Bonds. He said the same thing every other person on this board thinks.....If he was working with Victor, and he was on the "program" then of course he was.....


holy

[dunhill225]

yup, ask a coke dealer if xxxxx is a coke head and he will say, NOT THAT I KNOW, AINT GOT A CLUE! or they dissapear.

[bearcat]

Here's something I don't get. If steroids weren't banned in baseball in 2001 (they weren't) and "the clear" was a brand new compound and therefore not deemed illegal yet (it wasn't) then why is any of this news? I can understand the track and field stuff b/c they've banned everything this side of a Flinstones vitamin for years but if you ask me, Barry did nothing wrong and everyone needs to get over it.

[holyintellect]

yup, ask a coke dealer if xxxxx is a coke head and he will say, NOT THAT I KNOW, AINT GOT A CLUE! or they dissapear.

Two differences....first, Pat isnt a dealer....Secondly, EVERYBODY already knows Barry used. The problem lies in that the only way they can possibly get him now is through perjury....

holy

[holyintellect]

Here's something I don't get. If steroids weren't banned in baseball in 2001 (they weren't) and "the clear" was a brand new compound and therefore not deemed illegal yet (it wasn't) then why is any of this news? I can understand the track and field stuff b/c they've banned everything this side of a Flinstones vitamin for years but if you ask me, Barry did nothing wrong and everyone needs to get over it.


I agree....and so did Pat for that matter...he said he never felt guilty for helping the baseball guys because there was no drug testing in place, so basically anybody and everybody was free to use whatever they wanted to....

holy

[MaNiFeSt]

shit, i remember him from misc. fitness. weights. I ordered some of the original Andro before it was even labeled. That was like 1993.

Also, it caused my first case of gyno, lol.

same here.

[Cole Kingsly]

I agree....and so did Pat for that matter...he said he never felt guilty for helping the baseball guys because there was no drug testing in place, so basically anybody and everybody was free to use whatever they wanted to....

holy

On top of that I wonder why no one has ever brought up the fact that it A) Wasn't banned by MLB and B) many players are latin americans and live where AAS is legal.

So I live in a place where it is legal and play a sport that doesn't ban it's use? hmmmm

[TheChemist]

Pat didnt go looking for the exposure, it came to him....he is very introverted


I need to call BULL on your "introverted" analysis of PA. The guy is a genious but he's also the most collosal bigmouth to ever frequent the boards. Introverted hahaha RIGHT lol. Introverted since he got popped by the DEA but definitely not beforehand. He was such a bigmouth that I had it figured out that it was him who invented "The Clear" far prior to the DEA busting him. His own loose lips sank his own ships.

D

[dunhill225]

holy, pat aint a dealer? no diff from a guy makeing meth in a shack, supplying his distributers and collecting the profits. you can ACT like theres a diff but aint one. sure he made a good buck 4 his work. gee, supply drugs and make money. whats that 2 U? oh, one diff is the guy in the shack SHUTS UP!

[BIGAINS]

Pat Arnold made a designer steroid and sold it exclusively to one company. How is that different than DS developing superdrol, or pheraplex. The compound he made was not illegal in it's self, so he can not be compared to a common drug dealer or a meth producer.... that statement is just stupid. What he did that was wrong is that he made that compound with the intent for it to be undetectable by sport testing facilities, is that act illegal, I really do not know, but it does seem unethical

[holyintellect]

I need to call BULL on your "introverted" analysis of PA. The guy is a genious but he's also the most collosal bigmouth to ever frequent the boards. Introverted hahaha RIGHT lol. Introverted since he got popped by the DEA but definitely not beforehand. He was such a bigmouth that I had it figured out that it was him who invented "The Clear" far prior to the DEA busting him. His own loose lips sank his own ships.

D

Let me tell you something....I know Pat. He is a friend of mine.....Not an "internet" friend, but a friend in the truest sense. I could tell you some stories that would have you laughing your ass off because hes a very quiet guy, even around me. But I wont because basically its none of your fucking business. You can disagree with his interview, think its the wrong thing, whatever, but dont for a second pretend to know the guy and make a statement about what type of person he is.

Oh, and congratulations on knowing he was behind the clear....it was only you and about 75% of everyone else who had ever read his stuff and knew how bright he was.

holy

[holyintellect]

holy, pat aint a dealer? no diff from a guy makeing meth in a shack, supplying his distributers and collecting the profits. you can ACT like theres a diff but aint one. sure he made a good buck 4 his work. gee, supply drugs and make money. whats that 2 U? oh, one diff is the guy in the shack SHUTS UP!

When I said Pat wasnt a dealer, I meant in the present sense.....a dealer keeps his mouth shut not because he gives a fuck about his clients, but because hes watching his own ass.....Pat did his time, and hes done now.

We can continue to disagree, but basically I see nothing wrong with what he did....him naming names of guys who hadnt been exposed yet would be one thing....but to say he thought Bonds used when everybody on planet earth already knew, I simply dont see that as being wrong.

holy

[dunhill225]

first, gee he made a DRUG that couldnt be detected and was not scheduald(sp?) yet. so he like a dude makeing designer drugs. no diff, DRUGS ARE DRUGS. he should still just SHUT UP. nadda against him personaly but still wrong. THE WHOLE DOMESTIC GEAR GAME CHANGING REAL SOON! orgs are seeing money that can B made. peace

[mule]

Pat is a very close friend of mine...Just to clear some things up for those of you were are obviously either out of the loop, or sadly misinformed......

Pat didnt go looking for the exposure, it came to him....he is very introverted and has been asked to do tons of interviews.....He chose not to and to remain on the low...after watching the antics of Victor Conte, Pat decided to tell his side of the story....Now, in case you dont know, Victor is an idiot and has no idea what he was doing. Pat developed all the stuff the athletes used. So essentially, Victor is getting rich, driving a Bentley and still living the life, while Pat cant. He has been barred by the FDA for even trying to develop anything that resembles a testosterone enhancing supplement. Fuck Conte.....Let Pat get a little exposure to try to boost his company....How is that wrong? How did he let anything out of the bag? Its already out there on the table.....Pat served his time, just like Victor. Let the guy make some money now off the fact he is a genius. As a matter of fact, each and every one of you should hope that he continues to want to do shit for us like articles, books, etc....there sure as hell isnt anyone else out there as knowledgeable and as genuine as he is......I can vouch for that.

There is simply a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that 99% of you guys have no idea about. And never will.

holy



Your right everyone here has no inside info and probably does not really know much about the situtaion , i was just wondering what good talking on national tv about this subject could do.

[TheChemist]

Oh, and congratulations on knowing he was behind the clear....it was only you and about 75% of everyone else who had ever read his stuff and knew how bright he was.

holy

Thanks for proving my point about him being a collossal big mouth. If it was me "and 75% of everyone else who had ever read his stuff" who had it figured out he was behind "the clear" then he must have had a really big fucking mouth right. Last time I checked people who didn't have big mouths didn't have 75% of everyone they ever came into contact with knowing they were doing something illegal. Pat is, was, and always will be a big mouth braggart who desperately wants attention and does so by constantly boasting about how smart he is when really he's just another fucking dumbass that got busted.
Sorry I insulted your boyfriend Holy.

[TheChemist]

Your right everyone here has no inside info and probably does not really know much about the situtaion , i was just wondering what good talking on national tv about this subject could do.

You didn't need "inside info" to know what was going on with PA. I already told you he was, is, and always will be a collossal big mouth. He was a guy who constantly boasted about his ventures to the whole world on the internet.

[jarofpants]

Im glad to see others feel the same way, I posted my opinions before, but they magically disappeared off the board.
I dont know PA personally, but there seems to be nothing to gain here apart from attention or revenge.

If he can't market his products anymore then how will this exposure help sales?

If everyone knows that Bonds was juicing then why do we need to hear from Pat Arnold?

How does he think this will help keep steroids/designer chemicals available, and not cause more media attention/busts/etc?

When I see someone naming names, and they arn't looking for a plea bargain, then I cant see any excuse. It doesnt matter if its crack, bootleg DVDs or AAS, a snitch is a snitch.

[holyintellect]

[QUOTE=jarofpants;309375]Im glad to see others feel the same way, I posted my opinions before, but they magically disappeared off the board.
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I have no idea about that...as you can see, Im not afraid of talking about it....

holy

[holyintellect]

Its obvious we are not going to agree, so Im done with this.....

For those of you who debated this with decency, thank you....

holy

[trapz]

just so you guys know, what PA was doing at the time was techinically legal.

but when the feds want you, they have you. even if what your doing is technically legal, if your making too much money, or your "thumbing your nose" at them... have fun in camp fed...

AFAIK he did more time than anyone else in this case, which is the only reason why i even posted this.

everyone else including conte rolled like a bitch

dunhill i have been in this game and was selling PA his growth with abuddy of mine his GH when i was your age...... you've got no idea what the hell goes on behind the scenes when i was in that game.

comparing meth to gear is just ignorant... thats all im going to say.

[BIGAINS]

first, gee he made a DRUG that couldnt be detected and was not scheduald(sp?) yet. so he like a dude makeing designer drugs. no diff, DRUGS ARE DRUGS.

You seemed to miss my point. At this point in time designer steroids are still legal. There are several potent oral steroidal products that are still on the OTC market. If it isn't scheduled it is not considered to be an anabolic steroid. One could argue that some designer steroids are not derivatives of testosterone, but rather a derivative of progesterone and gesterone as with THG. or related to a naturally occurring anabolic pheromone found in elephant urine such as with pheraplex/AKA Desoxymethyltestosterone. These designer hormonal products are in the grey area, the law isn't black and white. SO DRUGS ARE NOT DRUGS