Controlled Delivery?

[MrDeflation]

Is there ever an instance where an International order "goes thru" customs is delivered to a mail box like nothing happened, then a couple days later they get a warrant to search the house after confirmation from the postal carrier that the package has been retrieved from the mailbox?

[RAAM]

I believe they would be knocking on your door immedialty.

[bishop-au]

In Australia they do both depending on their belief that they can uncover more by doing so

Sometimes it's the Police
Sometimes it's a letter of seizure from customs

[vangogh]

Is there ever an instance where an International order "goes thru" customs is delivered to a mail box like nothing happened, then a couple days later they get a warrant to search the house after confirmation from the postal carrier that the package has been retrieved from the mailbox?

How long was the package in customs? How much are we talking about? Why would the authorites wait a couple of days to serve a warrant? Honestly, one could get rid of everything before the raid occured. Then what happens when they break down the door and nothing is found? Unless they are surveying the house.

[Love too compete]

Personally i would stay with a local UG lab so you get into trouble with the law as bad plus you keep your risk down a low a possible.Best of luck!

[MrDeflation]

Thanks all..

Just curious to "their" methods. Every time I pick up my package I am too paranoid someone is watching me eventhough I keep all my orders extremely small...(talking 50 tabs of something +50 tabs of something else and the like)

Always wondered how soon after I picked up a package and nothing happened is one basically "in the clear".

[JAG]

You would get a customs letter for that small an amount.

[dan gable]

once you get a customs letter do the "flag" you or anything like that?????? in other words would they be watching for packs coming to your addy or would that be too hard to do????

[dan gable]

also have you guys heard of tear-away devices that alert the authorities when a pack was opened???

[JAG]

I would say yes but our government agencies are not know for proficiency. I would not take any chances...if you get a letter change addies.

[strongman]

way back when I used to answer these questions all the time so here ya go...orders come in through a customs check point...lets say they find steroids...customs looks at the amount and where it's going...if it's a small amount they almost always issue a seizure letter and yes, your addy is flagged...that way they do not continue to let "small" amounts go to the same guy over and over again (or seizure letters)...like everyday...LOL...which would indicate a dealer trying to get by getting many small packages...after the seizure letter and the flagging thats it...no watching, tapping etc....so lets say it's a larger amount...customs first contacts the closest DEA office to the intended addy...it's tells them what amount and they decide if they want it...if the sac (special agent in charge) decides it's a waste of time, usually before he shit cans the case, he offers it to the closest local law enforcment...it is either picked up or shit canned...thats how it goes...a package addressed to you is not enough for a warrant, in the united states...otherwise a smart cop could send you a bag of dope, tip off the postal dept., they intercept the package, he gets the case (no one knows he sent the package) and then he gets a search warrant and enters finding your stash..cops would be doing this for local dealers they know are dealing, but are having a hard time making a case...thats why there is so much evidence needed for a search warrant, to try and keep LE in check...a controlled delivery would be done right there on the spot, they would never wait...most likely they would do a knock-n-talk and try and get permission to "take a look around"...in case your wondering, I am an ex-cop, who was part of a DEA task force for several years...I have filled out many a warrant, but no worries, never for juice...if there was a bust involving juice it was there when we raided for x, coke, k etc....hope this helps, later, strongman...

[Jrmnutra]

When you order your packages from overseas pharmacys do you click on the option that allows you to track your package and you sign for it or the option where it is not tracked but you do not sign for it either. I usually like to know about when it is going to show up but Im a little scared signing for it!

[Powerlifter1028]

signing really doesnt fuck you over anymore than you would be. accepting the pack is accepting, whether is signed for or not.

[aminoman]

They would send you a letter if its not to big of a pack.

[Jrmnutra]

If you sign for it cant they come and get you at a later date being that they have proof that you accepted the package???

[strongman]

if by come and get you, you mean serve a warrant, no...info on a warrant has to be fresh..and it has to be more than a package sent to your addy, even if your true name is on it and you sign for it (see above answer)...there are many ways to go about busting someone, or in this case, building a case and getting enough for a search warrant...you see, there may not be enough evidence to get a search warrant for a premises, but a warrant to open out-going mail, or to tap a phone line or computer, much easier...the search is not as invasive and the officer is only trying to build a case, or figure out if the guy is not involved in a wrong doing (yeah right, but it sounds good)...you see, when a judge signs a warrant to search a premeises, he is taking on alot of responsibilty..much can wrong, we have all heard the horror stories of warrants being conducted on the wrong addys etc., but an e-warrant or checking some mail, much less risk...even my personal favorite, grabbing someones trash (I have built more cases out of peoples trash than you can imagine)...opps, I gave that secret away...LOL...

[PUSTOOTH]

I recently recieved an overseas package (postal service) which was clearly opened. Everything was still inside the package when the postman dropped it off.(no signature required)

Freaked me out a bit, cleaned house and has been approx 8 days since it came. No visits from the local law enforcement.

Should I still be worried, my thought is if they wanted to get me they would have done it the moment the package was brought inside.

wasn't large amount 50 amps and 100 pills.

[trapz]

listen to strongman, he knows his shit and telling no bull.... and listen to him abou tthe trash thing... i know of someone who ended up getting like 5 yrs. after picking up a 2nd charge when small town detectives werent happy enough with what he was gonna get sentenced for on the first.

whats up strongman... growthgut :)

[strongman]

I thought that was you...whats up brother...

[bigboi1]

A little info for thought...

A guy that i work with had an order that came through the postal service. They tried to deliver several times but he was not home and they would not leave it(he was not supposed to sign..they should have left it). The post office called him at home and at work and left a message for him to come pick it up(seems a little strange to me). Like an idiot he did and before he walked out of the building good they nailed him. What was bad was that we had talked about if he should go get it or not. My father which was an undercover cop for 15 years even told him not to do it.

Oh well...just a little food for thought

[trapz]

I thought that was you...whats up brother...

not much, almost died from a staph and endocarditis infection during the fall, just starting to get back to the gym now.... funny thing is i hadnt darted myself in nearly 8 months before i got it, but i had popped a big ingrown hair they said it coulda evne been from that...

shoot me a pm if you wanna chat im on icq and aol im alot at work all day

[liftheavy]

Flagging an address:

How can this actually be done? there are literally hundreds of millions of packages pass through customs each day. Are you implying they check each package against a database of "flagged addresses" if so, mail would take months to arrive. The only thing looked at in customs is the zip code to route the package. Most packages come in handwritten, there is no way someone types that info in a computer to see if it is flagged. I've known lots of people who had gear sent to the same address that got a seizure letter and went through fine. I just don't see how it is logistically possible to "flag" an address. If it was that inportant they would have busted you the first time. Help me out if I am wrong, and how do they do it. I don't believe in magic.

[trapz]

my guess is that they probably first find a package that fits the general profile for contraband or other shady stuff like large amts. of money etc. (check out usps.com for info, eagle eye program they use to screen for suspicious packages, even domestically, all to keep us safe from terrorism LOL), packages that are extremely taped up at the openings, coming from certain hot countries, size, noise, plenty of other suspicious stuff all outlined on usps.com that they outline for not just customs but also local usps mail workers to spot suspicious packs they now encourage to do this and then they fill out some sort of report, even if it is not opened i believe.

once they do that they and seperate packs that fit one or more points out of a profile of many things to look for, then they probably run the info on the pack, not only the address its gong to but also the return addy as well.

thats just a guess as i find it hard to believe they would open every small thing such as a small postcard years after siezing something to that address.. personally i wouldnt risk it anyway when you could pay a few bucks to get an mbe even if you do have to have id you can use a busness name and can let the package sit there for a few days before u go grab it. also it will usually make it much more difficult if not impossible to get a warrant for your home if they do get you with the pack at the po or in your car, that still doesnt legally give them enough evidence to convince a judge to get a warrant for your premises unless they have other evidence besides just the pack or you open your mouth and give them other evidence because they told you "if you tell them what they know they will talk to the judge and say you were cooperative" (which is bullshit, only the prosecutor has any say in recommending your sentencing, and never talk to the cops and say anythng besides "i want a lawyer" until your lawyer is there)

[Malakai]

With a small order like that you would just get a customs letter. I have had many

[Powerlifter1028]

dont be too comfertable, ive heard stories on here about guys getting a CD over 100dbols

[strongman]

about the flagging...like I described in my first post..it's to avoid sending mulitlple seizure notices...if a package makes it through the inspecion process then no prob...but lets say they get a package from thailand (reg flag country, BIGTIME) they find 1000d-bol and 100 apms...they send a seizure notice and flag the addy...a year later, there checking packages coming from hot countries and open one finding another 1000 d-bol etc...they run the addy and BAM..Hmmm we got stuff before to this same addy and sent a seizure notice last time...well, this time your getting a knock at the door or worse....thats why you never want to use the same addy...now chances are they will never get packages going to same addy, unless your gettng packages all the time from hot countries...thats how it works...hope this helps, later, Strongman

[liftheavy]

about the flagging...like I described in my first post..it's to avoid sending mulitlple seizure notices...if a package makes it through the inspecion process then no prob...but lets say they get a package from thailand (reg flag country, BIGTIME) they find 1000d-bol and 100 apms...they send a seizure notice and flag the addy...a year later, there checking packages coming from hot countries and open one finding another 1000 d-bol etc...they run the addy and BAM..Hmmm we got stuff before to this same addy and sent a seizure notice last time...well, this time your getting a knock at the door or worse....thats why you never want to use the same addy...now chances are they will never get packages going to same addy, unless your gettng packages all the time from hot countries...thats how it works...hope this helps, later, Strongman

First explination that made any sense, thanks.

[strongman]

your welcome...

[MrDeflation]

about the flagging...like I described in my first post..it's to avoid sending mulitlple seizure notices...if a package makes it through the inspecion process then no prob...but lets say they get a package from thailand (reg flag country, BIGTIME) they find 1000d-bol and 100 apms...they send a seizure notice and flag the addy...a year later, there checking packages coming from hot countries and open one finding another 1000 d-bol etc...they run the addy and BAM..Hmmm we got stuff before to this same addy and sent a seizure notice last time...well, this time your getting a knock at the door or worse....thats why you never want to use the same addy...now chances are they will never get packages going to same addy, unless your gettng packages all the time from hot countries...thats how it works...hope this helps, later, Strongman


When getting a seizure notice and having source resend to a PO box instead of the other "flagged" address..... why couldn't customs just inquire as to who the PO box is registered to and then see it's the same address that was originally flagged?? Thus even sending to a different addy would be a waste....


thanks

[Muscle7601]

about the flagging...like I described in my first post..it's to avoid sending mulitlple seizure notices...if a package makes it through the inspecion process then no prob...but lets say they get a package from thailand (reg flag country, BIGTIME) they find 1000d-bol and 100 apms...they send a seizure notice and flag the addy...a year later, there checking packages coming from hot countries and open one finding another 1000 d-bol etc...they run the addy and BAM..Hmmm we got stuff before to this same addy and sent a seizure notice last time...well, this time your getting a knock at the door or worse....thats why you never want to use the same addy...now chances are they will never get packages going to same addy, unless your gettng packages all the time from hot countries...thats how it works...hope this helps, later, Strongman


Excellent info

[strongman]

because of the of the amount of packages...believe me when I tell you there is not a whole of investigation going on around a small package of steroids...it goes through the same process I explained above and it happens very fast, so the agent can get back to his job...the package checking process does not stop for a box of contraband...theres probably 1 agent per 50,000-100,000 packages per shift depending on the location of the check point and time of year....you can imagine what a week before xmas is like for these guys...there is a reason why amps, pills and 10-50 cc bottles get stopped alot...one they are very often coming from red flag countrys, and two, close your eys and think of the outline of the aformentioned...that's what they see when it passes through the x-ray machine...so you say damn strongman, if it's so clear why don't they get all the packages with amps and vials...because the process is manned by humans!...they take breaks, they joke with each other, they get tired of looking at the screen etc., I would be interested to hear of anyone getting a siezure notice for a package containing just the the new stealth line of goods...I would very surprised...anyway I hope this helps...later, strongman

[Powerlifter1028]

before the crash there was a post about a package of stealths getting nabbed... anyone remember who posted it?

[MrDeflation]

because of the of the amount of packages...believe me when I tell you there is not a whole of investigation going on around a small package of steroids...it goes through the same process I explained above and it happens very fast, so the agent can get back to his job...the package checking process does not stop for a box of contraband...theres probably 1 agent per 50,000-100,000 packages per shift depending on the location of the check point and time of year....you can imagine what a week before xmas is like for these guys...there is a reason why amps, pills and 10-50 cc bottles get stopped alot...one they are very often coming from red flag countrys, and two, close your eys and think of the outline of the aformentioned...that's what they see when it passes through the x-ray machine...so you say damn strongman, if it's so clear why don't they get all the packages with amps and vials...because the process is manned by humans!...they take breaks, they joke with each other, they get tired of looking at the screen etc., I would be interested to hear of anyone getting a siezure notice for a package containing just the the new stealth line of goods...I would very surprised...anyway I hope this helps...later, strongman


excellent info... thanks!!

[strongman]

your welcome...

[saltpie]

before the crash there was a post about a package of stealths getting nabbed... anyone remember who posted it?

I remember this post, I would like to know more as well. Does anyone else also remember how there was a picture and description of what stealth injectables were?

[XSNOWMANx]

Strongman, if you don't mind would you tell me what the other "hot countries" are. I know Mexico, Thailand etc.. but I'm sure your expertise on this is much better than mine.

[npc champ]

just what strong said npc champ

[strongman]

thats a real good question snowman...the list changes but many countries stay on there...and some are a lot hotter than others...all middle eastern countries, nothern african countries, china, emerald triangle, russia, amsterdam (bigtime!)...some of the smaller islands also, Isle of Mann is one that I remember, because there is so much money laundering going on there...the whole terroism thing changed the country lists and what stuff the guys are looking at/for...

as always getting stuff through is hit and miss, even from real hot countries...remember theres not a conveyor for each country, so an agent can't just sit and watch packages from thailand...but certain countries are funneled to through certian check points to bring about a probablitiy of running across illegal stuff...sometimes a package will look suspicious but the x-ray doesn't reveal anything obvious...then the agent will look at where the package is coming from and where it is going and make a decision...if he decides to open it, they record all the info on the package, take a picture of it, call a witness and open the package....if it's nothing, reseal and send it on it's way...if there something illegal then the SAC starts making phone calls...it could go the Dept of homeland security, secret service (counterfeiting), DEA, FBI, ATF etc....

I've said this years ago, when I used to answer these questions all the time...we have the advantage..and a bigtime advantage...theres just to many packages and not enough customs agents...my good friend whom, I rode with in the projects for years, left the dept and went to customs, and everytime I talk to him he tells me about all the overtime he makes, they are way understaffed...and there always getting these bolos (be on the lookout) of shit that is supposedly coming through or a certain type of package terroists are sending cellphones in etc...

hope this helps, later, Strongman