HGH Madness. Too Many Questions Still... Too Many Answers...

[Toxic Panda]

This whole HGH situation has been very difficult to settle. I have been getting so many different answers and I search and get more confused. This will be the end all thread for me. Hoping to see to see TJ or RAAM jump in on this hopefully.

My goal is not fat loss that is not even close to a problem for me. My main goal is muscle gain, strengthening of my bones and tendons (broken jaw, shoulder, and clavical about a year ago), helping me over my plateau that I have been stuck at forever.

Now, I am an extremely small frame. I pack on as much muscle as I possibly can, have ran 3 AAS cycles all extremely helpful. Packed on a total of 40lbs while on. I would like to use the HGH to help me get over the hump I am at. Certain parts of my body just aren't going anywhere due to injury and genetics.

My next cycle will be the following:

16 Weeks

500mg Test C
250mg Equipose
30MG DBol (2 weeks prior to first injection and 3 weeks after)

Now I have had discussion with several members here on different protocols. I would like to keep the sides down if possible. I def. don't want a Ronnie Coleman Gut or Barry Bonds head. I was told 4iu ED for 6 months would be good, I have been told 4iu EOD would be good.

Whats the best thing I can do to aid me in muscle and strength gain, and helping my bones and tendons, without transforming me into a meat head.

[jack thomas]

For you stated goals,the 3x/wk.protocol is probably your best bet.

j/t.

[nysole]

This whole HGH situation has been very difficult to settle. I have been getting so many different answers and I search and get more confused. This will be the end all thread for me. Hoping to see to see TJ or RAAM jump in on this hopefully.

My goal is not fat loss that is not even close to a problem for me. My main goal is muscle gain, strengthening of my bones and tendons (broken jaw, shoulder, and clavical about a year ago), helping me over my plateau that I have been stuck at forever.

Now, I am an extremely small frame. I pack on as much muscle as I possibly can, have ran 3 AAS cycles all extremely helpful. Packed on a total of 40lbs while on. I would like to use the HGH to help me get over the hump I am at. Certain parts of my body just aren't going anywhere due to injury and genetics.

My next cycle will be the following:

16 Weeks

500mg Test C
250mg Equipose
30MG DBol (2 weeks prior to first injection and 3 weeks after)

Now I have had discussion with several members here on different protocols. I would like to keep the sides down if possible. I def. don't want a Ronnie Coleman Gut or Barry Bonds head. I was told 4iu ED for 6 months would be good, I have been told 4iu EOD would be good.

Whats the best thing I can do to aid me in muscle and strength gain, and helping my bones and tendons, without transforming me into a meat head.

you can take 10 iu's per day and you won't look like a meathead... meatheads are built based on there workouts and diets... i take it you're an mma fighter... your diet won't allow you to get too blown out... plus, it sounds by your description that you're an ectomorph??? sorry that i don't know more about you, but if you are an ecto, you really have to go real far out of your way to look like a meathead.

IMO - 4-5 iu's per day will do you just fine for rejuvenation, lean muscle, and overall sense of well being... don't worry about the cro-magnon look either - you have to get excessive for that to happen and 4-5 is not excessive. also, most chinese brands do not have a problem inhibiting bone growth such as excessive serostim use....

hope i help a little...

[Toxic Panda]

NY you've nailed it. I am a MMA guy however, I also play Hockey. I am usually all lean muscle but would like to pack on some more muscle. I think that throwing on some extra muscle will help me out considerably in both sports. People say in MMA having too much Muscle is a bad thing but seeing as though I grapple and do BJJ, I am finding out that having some mass can be a good thing if you can manage keeping your quickness.

[nysole]

NY you've nailed it. I am a MMA guy however, I also play Hockey. I am usually all lean muscle but would like to pack on some more muscle. I think that throwing on some extra muscle will help me out considerably in both sports. People say in MMA having too much Muscle is a bad thing but seeing as though I grapple and do BJJ, I am finding out that having some mass can be a good thing if you can manage keeping your quickness.

i agree with you bro... i'm a former fighter, now just BB'er so i understand the conversations that trainers have with you about limited weight training. used to drive me nuts especially with boxing. i have a lot of respect for fighters like andre arlovski MMA and evander holyfield IBF who go above their natural weight so they can compete in heavier classes - as you know, most fighters are concerned with getting their weight down so they can fight in a lighter class. i hear you - imagine how much harder it'll be to grapple against you with some extra quad and trap mass

[C-man]

I would up the EQ to 400-500pw
and switch dbol to Var for healing...
I agree with J/T for GH and Mass, but it will work either way...

[RAAM]

I would up the EQ to 400-500pw
and switch dbol to Var for healing...
I agree with J/T for GH and Mass, but it will work either way...

Spot on IMO !

Test C 500mg
EQ 500mg
Var 40-50mg. 5-6 weeks
GH 10iu 3 X a week

Sweet !

[Toxic Panda]

Keep in mind I am a smaller guy.

what kind of sides will I see at 10iu 3x a week? Could I split that into smaller doses?

[RAAM]

Keep in mind I am a smaller guy.

what kind of sides will I see at 10iu 3x a week? Could I split that into smaller doses?

Prolly less sides then 5 iu ED I bet.

[Toxic Panda]

10iu 3 times a week would def be cheaper :D

[Ron Burgundy]

3 times a week doesn't let the sides build up. I can't put into scientific terms because I am not a scientist, chemist, etc.. I have done it before and with ed I noticed sides but three times a week at higher doses there was no sides or much much less. I ran/am running 20ius so at 10 you will be fine. The higher doses really help, imo, with building muscle while staying lean.

[Toxic Panda]

Alright everyone. I am not going to run that high of EQ though because of blood pressure, how should I match up the Cycles? Should I run the HGH first or run HGH with Cycle then continue the HGH, then hit PCT?

[pimpman]

hey brother just trying to help you out here EQ @250mg is going to do nothing for you.I understand you cant do higher dose and thats fine.but 250 you are just throwing it away.EQ takes a long time to really kick in.at least to see resaults from it.and at minimum dose of 400mg. for that switch it for primo or winstrol.

as far as gh start it with your cycle and keep using it all the way through the cycle and pct if you can afford it. good luck

pimpman

[Toxic Panda]

What about Deca?

[BM2611]

interesting that the 3x a week will be less sides then ed 4 ius. i thought it woul dbe opposite.

[Toxic Panda]

One last question guys...

3x times a week at 10iu, is that done in one shot or split up throughout the day? When is the best time to take it? Can I mix it in one syringe with my Gear?

Sorry for the newb questions. HGH is a new thing for me!!!

[artman115]

How about adding nan phen. The phen should be better for you in place of eq/decca. Being that you might get tested a some time down the road, the phen should cut detection times by at least 50%, if not more..and you can ramp up the dosage without having to wait several weeks for the gains.

[RAAM]

One last question guys...

3x times a week at 10iu, is that done in one shot or split up throughout the day? When is the best time to take it? Can I mix it in one syringe with my Gear?

Sorry for the newb questions. HGH is a new thing for me!!!

One shot pwo. NO MIXING NEWBIE !!!!! LOL :)

[Toxic Panda]

Just covering all the bases :panda:

:D