cycle opinions help please

[Big Spiz]

hey fellas.. just wanted some opinions on my next cycle
stats are.. 190lbs , 5,7 roughly 14% bf
goal is to get ova 205lbs and get alot leaner, diet will be in order cardio 20mins after every training session train 5 times a week

cycle 1 :

Dbols 30mg/ed for 5 weeks
Test C or Test E , at 500mgs/week , for 20weeks


cycle 2 :

Dbols 30mg/ed for 5 weeks
Test C or Test E , at 700mgs/week 20 weeks
Paper turinabol 50-100mg/ed for 10 weeks


cycle 3 :

Dbols 30mg/ed for 5 weeks
Test C or Test E , at 700mgs/week 20 weeks
winstrol 150mg/eod from week 7 till finished


also im getting provirion how would i throw it in with my cycles free up some test im very prone to acne specialy on my back and shoulders and face now and then..
never tryed tbol before so i thought a mite give it ago any feedback.. should i just replace it over the dbol.. i got a shit load of dbols laying around so.. thought id use em , tho i dont wanna get to bloated but diet should be clean..

thanks fellas :) all help appreiticated






always run nolvadex for pct

[Big Spiz]

anyone ?

[dunhill225]

KISS. I would just run a gram for 20 wks... thats it.

[Big Spiz]

would there be much of a difference in gains from 500mgs to 1000mg a week ?

[dunhill225]

yea there is a big diff. I think the magic starts (for me atleast) at 750mgs. now I dont see a big diff between 750-1g and say 1.5-2g in terms of gains but I see a big diff in terms of fat burning.. I MAY never run another injectable besides test again, just dont see the reason to run test with this and test with that when I can just run a higher test by itself.

[Big Spiz]

ok ive neva ran more than 500mg probly give 750mg+ a shot when i start in a month or so.. thanks

[dunhill225]

yea you have. you never ran over 500 of test BUT you have run well over a gram of GEAR. I may be makeing things to simple cause I am so used to everyone over thinking everything... like I said I MAY never run anything but test again. ah... best of luck man. peaceok ive neva ran more than 500mg probly give 750mg+ a shot when i start in a month or so.. thanks

[bm11]

Personally I love dbol thrown in with test, makes me strong as hell and gets me big in a hurry. Much more powerful mg per mg than test, one thing that you don't seem to take into consideration when you are boiling things down to total mg's only, dunhill.

[dunhill225]

i admit I may over simplify thlngs some time but i can say from my exp I will gain a LOT better on 1G of test then I will on 450 test and 50 mgs a day of dbol.Personally I love dbol thrown in with test, makes me strong as hell and gets me big in a hurry. Much more powerful mg per mg than test, one thing that you don't seem to take into consideration when you are boiling things down to total mg's only, dunhill.

[bm11]

i admit I may over simplify thlngs some time but i can say from my exp I will gain a LOT better on 1G of test then I will on 450 test and 50 mgs a day of dbol.

Agreed, that is why you must have a gram of test to accompany your 50mg/day of dbol! Lol, I hear ya bro...

[dunhill225]

man my math was WAY off and suprised u didnt say anything or notice. that would be 650 test and 50 ed of dbol. i am great at math... just a dumb day i guess.Agreed, that is why you must have a gram of test to accompany your 50mg/day of dbol! Lol, I hear ya bro...

[bm11]

I noticed, but was too lazy to correct you, lol. I think if you could run dbol for as long as you ran the test, you might actually get better results with the dbol and lower test than the gram alone. Like if your liver would hold up to 16 weeks of 50mg of dbol every day and 650mg of test, the results should be comperable or better than a gram a week for 16 weeks. The problem is that you can't or at least shouldn't run the dbol that long, so you end up with a kickass six weeks, followed by the remaining 10 where the 650mg of test doesn't keep up with the gram of test... feel me?