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TheGame46
07-08-2006, 01:14 PM
MGF/IGF-IEc Profile

Quick summary: MGF is a splice variant of the IGF produced by a frame shift if the IGF gene. It exhibits local effects in skeletal muscle and without modification is not systemic (can’t travel through the body). MGF increase the muscle stem cell count, so that more may fuse and become part of adult muscle cells. This is a process required for adult muscle cells to continue growing.

Complete Overview of MGF or IGF-IEc

From its sequence, MGF is derived from the IGF-I gene by alternative splicing and has different 3' exons to the liver or systemic type (IGF-IEa). It has a 49 base pair insert in the human, and a 52 base pair insert in rodents, within the E domain of exon 5. This insert results in a reading frame shift, with a different carboxy (C) terminal sequence to that of systemic IGF-IEa. MGF and the other IGF isoforms have the same 5' exons that encode the IGF-I ligand-binding domain. Processing of pro-peptide yields a mature peptide that is involved in upregulating protein synthesis. However, there is evidence that the carboxy-terminal of the MGF peptide also acts as a separate growth factor. This stimulates division of mononucleated myoblasts or satellite (stem) cells, thereby increasing the number available for local repair

During the early stage of skeletal muscle development, myoblasts (muscle stem cells) fuse to form syncytial myotubes, which become innervated and develop into muscle fibres. Thereafter, mitotic proliferation of nuclei within the muscle fibres ceases. However, during postnatal (after development) growth, additional nuclei are provided by satellite cells (myoblast) fusing with myotubules. Muscle damage-recovery seems to have a similar cellular mechanism, in that satellite cells become activated and fuse with the damaged muscle fibres (reviewed by Goldring et al. 2002). This is also pertinent to certain diseases such as muscular dystrophy in which muscle tissue is not maintained and which have been associated with a deficiency in active satellite (stem) cells (Megeney et al. 1996; Seale & Rudnicki, 2000) and in myogenic factors (Heslop et al. 2000). Skeletal muscle mass and regenerative capacity have also been shown to decline with age (Sadeh, 1988; Carlson et al. 2001). The reduced capacity to regenerate in older muscle seems to be due to the decreased ability to activate satellite cell proliferation (Chakravarthy et al. 2000). The markedly lower expression of MGF in older rat muscles (Owino et al. 2001) and human muscle (Hameed et al. 2003) in response to mechanical overload has been associated with the failure to activate satellite cells, leading to age-related muscle loss (Owino et al. 2001). Your muscle cels can not grow once they have reached a certain size unless they obtain more nuclei from the myoblast. MGF increases the myblast available to donate their nuclei to the adult muscle cell.
“MGF appears to have a dual action in that, like the other IGF-I isoforms, it upregulates protein synthesis as well as activating satellite cells. However, the latter role of MGF is probably more important as most of the mature IGF-I will be derived from IGF-IEa during the second phase of repair. Nevertheless, it has been shown that MGF is a potent inducer of muscle hypertrophy in experiments in which the cDNA of MGF was inserted into a plasmid vector and introduced by intramuscular injection. This resulted in a 20 % increase in the weight of the injected muscle within 2 weeks, and the analyses showed that this was due to an increase in the size of the muscle fibres (Goldspink, 2001). Similar experiments by other groups have also been carried out using a viral construct containing the liver type of IGF-I, which resulted in a 25 % increase in muscle mass, but this took over 4 months to develop (Musaro et al. 2001). Hence, the dual role MGF plays in inducing satellite cell activation as well as protein synthesis suggests it is much more potent than the liver type or IGF-IEa for inducing rapid hypertrophy.”

These results are based on actual transplantation of the DNA coding for the peptides. This is a permanent effect and much more potent than IM injections of the peptide itself. You will not see a 20% increase in muscle mass through IM injections as claimed above.

TheGame46
07-08-2006, 01:15 PM
Methods of use:
MGF inhibits differentiation, which is the actual fusing of the myoblast to the myotubule. So to optimize the effects of this one would want to try and take the MGF in a manner that differentiation would not be effected post work out.
With the original version of MGF, it is only stable in your system for 12-24 hours. So taking it the day before a workout would provide sufficient time for the MGF to wear off.

If one wanted to maximize the effects of MGF they could stack it with something that increased differentiation. In the case of IGF, the would want to take this on days they don't take MGF, or in the case of AAS it would depend on the types of AAS and the esters.


Some sample MGF/IGF protocols
3 day HST method
MGF sun, tue, thur
IGF mon tue wed (workout days)

4 day split
Sun MGF upper body
Monday MGF lower body IGF upper body
Tue IGF lower body
Repeat thur/fri

5 day split
B/C MGF is not stable in the bloodstream, it will not effect the muscle you don't inject. So as long as you are using the original MGF you could inj MGF and IGF on the same days without worrying about conflicts b/t the peptides.
Just inj the MGF in the muscle you will owrk the following day.

Storm
07-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Ok well only the IGF-1 is fast acting the majority of IGF out there is LR3 which is long acting and systemic so doing the upper body lower body shots isn't going to work that way..So that is a problem I see also if MGF is a breakdown of IGF kind of like HGH converting to IGF in your body why worry about a conflict?? Care to explain? I see the 5-day split but it is kind of conflicting.

TheGame46
07-08-2006, 07:03 PM
Ok well only the IGF-1 is fast acting the majority of IGF out there is LR3 which is long acting and systemic so doing the upper body lower body shots isn't going to work that way..So that is a problem I see also if MGF is a breakdown of IGF kind of like HGH converting to IGF in your body why worry about a conflict?? Care to explain? I see the 5-day split but it is kind of conflicting.
Sorry this is completely wrong. MGF can inhibit the differentiation ability if IGF, but IGF has no affect on MGF. MGF is not neeccisarily IGF broken down, it is made via a reading frame shift in the IGF code. Its not an actual product of the IGF peptide. MGF is upregulated with another slice variant in vivo when stimulus occurs called IGF-IEa, they peak at different times giving the assumption that MGF builds up the stem cell pools before the other variant which is more similar to the systemic version upregulates differentiation of those myoblast in the pools.

Storm
07-08-2006, 09:22 PM
Ok so my IGF/MGF is wrog I see what your saying now but if the MGF is so fast acting do the results go away as fast or are they more semi-permenant? I read on here or another thread about it saying it was more of a smiperm gain but I don't see if it is that fast acting..I recall the IGF-1 the fast acting where you had to pretty much do the same thng as the MGF inj into whatever group would worked out..Most guys I knew who took it only got shot term gains off that kind of IGF so what makes the MGF better?

I los tmy book building a perfect beast to a buddy but I read up on the MGF then years ago and the claims he was making on the stuff were insane..Turning a 250lb BBer into a 300lb BBer..I t just seesm the MGF he was speaking of isn;t the same as this you are talking baout as it being more site specific..

TheGame46
07-09-2006, 12:40 AM
well thats b/c before everything was based on theory and now we have some facts. The problem with MGF is it is very unstable, and breaks down very fast in the body. So your really own going to see effects at the site injection unless you modify it to last longer. This is being done, but its a complicated process and I fear there will be many claims of products like this that are not correct.

The thing you must reember with MGF, is the mechanism it works is not going to increase muscle alone. It simply gives you more cells to make it with. Without a stimulation to differentiate the myoblast, the MGF is doing nothing for permanent gains.

I am working on an E-book that will shed some light to a few things.

Storm
07-09-2006, 02:02 PM
I will keep researching it and see how things progress.thanks.

L.W.
07-10-2006, 12:23 PM
I'll get my MGF info from other places as well, but thanks anyway.

L.W.
07-10-2006, 12:27 PM
...and just for others using/researching MGF make sure you get actual MGF.
I know AG is carrying it but most other sites do not have the real deal.
Also there are about 100 supp sites claiming to have it. Trust me they dont.

I've seen oral MGF on BB.com, bulknutrition, etc...all scams.

TheGame46
07-10-2006, 01:31 PM
regular MGF is soon to be replaced by PEDgylated MGF's in most places as well b/c of the low stability MGF. The reptuable place will not hesistate to show an ASSAY as proof of the correct peptide as well. So you can always look for that when shopping around.

bigjimmy
07-20-2006, 02:16 AM
regular MGF is soon to be replaced by PEDgylated MGF's in most places as well b/c of the low stability MGF. The reptuable place will not hesistate to show an ASSAY as proof of the correct peptide as well. So you can always look for that when shopping around.

Are PEDgylated MGF's therefore going to be longer acting (than 12-24 hours) ? Could one cycle IGF and then MGF at 3-4 weeks at a time???? Would that work without interferring with each other??

Jeff270
07-20-2006, 08:47 AM
Are PEDgylated MGF's therefore going to be longer acting (than 12-24 hours) ? Could one cycle IGF and then MGF at 3-4 weeks at a time???? Would that work without interferring with each other??

Bump! Also interested.... any ideas?

speedster
07-27-2006, 06:19 PM
I am interested... playing with the idea of doing a non-test cycle. If I can get enough information on MGF, was thinking of doing an 8week long tren, deca, and igf1 cycle. Reading up on MGF has peaked my interest.

The basics of the 8wk cycle are below.
Tren @ 150mg/day
Deca @ 200mg every 3 days
HCG every 5 days
I'll be taking 1cc of AG's L-Fem everyday as well

Now I am planning on doing igf1 the middle 4wks. And possibly MGF if I can figure it out.

Now if my traing schedule is:
Monday - Chest/Back
Tuesday - Shoulders/Abs/Legs
Wednesday - Arms
Thursday - Cardio
(repeat)

Then my igf1 & mgf injections would be:
Sunday - mgf into pecs
Monday - igf1 into pecs post workout & mgf into shoulders & calves
Tuesday - igf1 into shoulders & calves post workout & mgf into arms
Wednesday - igf1 into arms post workout
etc
etc

Also, no one has mentioned how much mgf to use... any ideas?

After I figure out the goodies, i am going to have to figure out the diet and when to eat... but there's a great post up already that I'll tear apart in a few days.

TheGame46
07-28-2006, 11:16 PM
the MGF and IGf are better taken in conjucntion with each other to best utilize the benefits of both however by doing this you only take the IGF 3-4 days a week and can thus use it for longer and the results will continue longer b/c of less receptor degredation. Speedster is on the right track. I like to reccomend and HST style workout that is MWF so u can do MGF sun tue and thur and IGF MWF.