what steroids are bad for your hdL cholestrol

[PimpOfNY]

I just got my cholestrol checked and my hdl was dangerously low ..13 ...the doc says anything under 30 is very bad ...

im on 1500 mg of test a week and blue top gh at 8 iu a day ...i was taking dball not consistantly at the time of the test ..

also i had eaten that day ...even though i wasent supposed to


any idea of why this is like this ...doss gh cause this ???

ive never had this issue before

[Data]

How long have you been on? How long have you been on 1500mg of test? A heavy long cycle will do that.

What do you eat in a day? Be specific.

[ASHER]

Winny and Tren will wreack havoc on your hdl.

[strength]

Winny and Tren will wreack havoc on your hdl.

lovely,

those just happen to be both in my current cycle LOL

[halloween]

lol @ strenght

[jack thomas]

Most steroids at high enough dosage,especially if the diet is a bit lax.

j/t.

[masster666]

I just got my cholestrol checked and my hdl was dangerously low ..13 ...the doc says anything under 30 is very bad ...

im on 1500 mg of test a week and blue top gh at 8 iu a day ...i was taking dball not consistantly at the time of the test ..

also i had eaten that day ...even though i wasent supposed to


any idea of why this is like this ...doss gh cause this ???

ive never had this issue before

Androgens will flip your cholesterol table. I bet your LDL's are high. Not sure how long you've been running the 1500 but thats a fairly heavy test dose, and is most definitely the culprit. Try consuming more EFA's, and plenty of them, your muscle prefers them over carbs, so do a little substituting. Also, be aware of sugar intake. Higher amounts of sugar will cause your liver to produce cholesterol as well, possibly even more so than saturated fats, but a combination of a diet high in saturated fats and sugar is definitely a bad idea.

[bison69]

What are your typical numbers when not using pharmaceuticals?

[redback1]

Hang on a minute, you said you ate before the test. That makes a major difference to the reading. It will bump it up at least a couple of points. You MUST fast to get an acurate reading.

[masster666]

Hang on a minute, you said you ate before the test. That makes a major difference to the reading. It will bump it up at least a couple of points. You MUST fast to get an acurate reading.

Are you sure that would affect the test? It takes months for foods or drugs to impact your cholesterol. You might be right that it could affect it a couple of points, but the guys HDL has still got to be under 30. Either way, he won't be giving a good reading imo.

[redback1]

Are you sure that would affect the test? It takes months for foods or drugs to impact your cholesterol. You might be right that it could affect it a couple of points, but the guys HDL has still go to be under 30. Either way, he won't be giving a good reading imo.

It will definitely affect the reading. The reading is supposed to be from the circulating cholesterol in your blood. You are right about foods taking months to affect your cholesterol. If you eat before the test your blood levels are spiked with cholesterol from your last meal.

[jack thomas]

^^^^^^ it will affect the reading but not that significantly.

j/t.

[masster666]

^^^^^^ it will affect the reading but not that significantly.

j/t.

Yea, thats what I thought. No flame Red. Either way, this dude should post his diet and cycle length so we can get an idea how to help him.

[EDED]

Androgens will flip your cholesterol table. I bet your LDL's are high. Not sure how long you've been running the 1500 but thats a fairly heavy test dose, and is most definitely the culprit. Try consuming more EFA's, and plenty of them, your muscle prefers them over carbs, so do a little substituting. Also, be aware of sugar intake. Higher amounts of sugar will cause your liver to produce cholesterol as well, possibly even more so than saturated fats, but a combination of a diet high in saturated fats and sugar is definitely a bad idea.

i was going to say the same about EFA's fish oil ONLY omega 3,,,, not 6 or 9s

my brother was taking over 10g of fish oil per day for months (he doesnt take steroids) and had a blood work, HDL was off the chart, it was highlighted HIGH ahahahahh so try it, alot of it, i take 12-15g a day.

anyways, lower your dose a bit? AI fucks it up too,,,eitherway, lower it man, until your numbers look normal then you can grow later on before you get hurt.

[masster666]

i was going to say the same about EFA's fish oil ONLY omega 3,,,, not 6 or 9s

my brother was taking over 10g of fish oil per day for months (he doesnt take steroids) and had a blood work, HDL was off the chart, it was highlighted HIGH ahahahahh so try it, alot of it, i take 12-15g a day.

anyways, lower your dose a bit? AI fucks it up too,,,eitherway, lower it man, until your numbers look normal then you can grow later on before you get hurt.

Yea good call. The supplements can get expensive. I drink about 6 whole omega3 eggs per day and drink about 2oz of olive oil 3x per day. Great fats, I have noticed a great increase in energy, better skin health and my lifts are improving. Haven't had my cholesterol checked, currently running 500 mg of test e per week, but Ill know my chol. values in a few weeks after blood work. They've never been high, but its my first run, Im sure i'll still be in good shape. Hope this helps.

[jack thomas]

red yeast rice,policasonol,niacin and some red wine can't hurt either.

j/t.

[PimpOfNY]

wow that was allot of responses ..ill try and address everyone...

to start as for the dosage thats what i usually take ..i also tend to stay on for long periods of time ..i know this is bad ..i usually blast and cruise ..i would definately say i have done my share of abuse in the past ...been juicing for 12 yrs

my stats are 255 10-15% bf depending on time of yr 31 yr old

my diet is not the best ...i manage to get lean when i want by tightening up the diet and i do get pretty ripped especially with gh ....i have gotten lower but i usually maintain a bf in the 10-15 % range ..usualy the 15 if winter like now ..

i am in great shape cardio wise ..my fam dose have a history of high cholestrol but not anything with the hdl ...

my whole thing im thinking is like what the fuck ....ive always done this this way ..not much has really changed ...and i always get blood work every few months ...i have never had this prob before ????/

as for the sugars ...i love sugar ...when im not dieting i will eat plenty ...i dont eat much fat but sugar i do like ..of course i cut it when trying to get lean ..i really love those fat free snacks which are loaded with sugar

[theworm]

there was a study, 600 mg of test over 20 weeks in healthy adults. HDL dropped by 10 points!

Also, AI's lower HDL, whereas nolva increases HDL...

as for eating, eating has no to little effect on HDL..

[masster666]

there was a study, 600 mg of test over 20 weeks in healthy adults. HDL dropped by 10 points!

Also, AI's lower HDL, whereas nolva increases HDL...

as for eating, eating has no to little effect on HDL..

I am very shocked at the drop of only 10 points in cholesterol in the test subjects, not as bad as I would have thought. And I'd like to here your explanation as to how eating has little to no effect on HDL. When you say "eating", I assume you mean the types of food?? Because as far as I'm concerned, thats absolutely absurd.

[theworm]

i am sorry, when i say "eating," i ment that eating prior to a blood test had no effect on HDL levels...

[maxititer]

stanozolol is notoriouse for lowering HDL

[masster666]

i am sorry, when i say "eating," i ment that eating prior to a blood test had no effect on HDL levels...

Oh... my apologies. Then I am in complete agreement with you.

[paradroid]

AAS tend to be bad for your HDL, and as a general rule, the more androgenic and less estrogenic the steroid, the worse it is and 17aa steroids tend to be the worst of all... how strongly you react depends on the individual and the dose etc... but it's easy to see that compounds such as tren, winstrol etc are not good. With test it depends on how much aromatization is going on, and if you block it with an AI you lose the estrogen protection which is why AI's drop your HDL. Nolva on the other hand acts as an estrogen in the liver and can raise HDL...
If you're using an AI, switch to nolva instead and follow all the excellent advice above, omega 3's, drop sugar etc...

[glock32]

I think all aas mess with cholesterol. I went on a statin, problem solved.

[Jack Sharp]

Winstrol ALONE dropped my HDL to 14. I always experiment with blood tests while off and on, so winstrol was the worst for me. Niacin helps, Omega-3 helps. Not taking anabolics helps....hehehe