hgh and pwo protocol

[BIG ASH]

ok so 3xpwo for gh! what training protocol should u do then?? pre? during? and post?

[svt1.8t]

10iu 3 days a week pwo

[funfun]

ok so 3xpwo for gh! what training protocol should u do then?? pre? during? and post?

A lot of people are turning to this protocol and you have to ask, why?

Most will answer that it eliminates side effects?

This may well be because it reduces the effectiveness of GH. If you use high doses PWO, you may be throwing good product down the toilet.

[funfun]

10iu 3 days a week pwo

Why should someone start off with such high dosages? It would make more sense to start lower at 2 iu or 4 iu and observe results.

If a person was going to shoot 10 iu 3 times per week, then divided doses on shoot days would probably yield better results than one large PWO injection...but along with better results would probably come more side effects which is most likely what the PWO protocol is trying to eliminate in the first place.

Food for thought.

[svt1.8t]

i agree with you, i run 3.3 per day 6/1. i know alot of people who do the pwo 3x

[Backcountry]

There is a great article written by TJ and posted on this board by Dave which details the benefits of 3 x week pwo usage. It isn't the end all be all on the subject but TJ has a lot of experience and is well respected. I really recommend anyone how hasn't read it to do so. Since I've read TJ's article I've found several other articles on different boards documenting great results from similar pwo protocol.

Some of the benefits are that your body's own production of GH is not suppressed using this method and it has been shown to produce better gains with less side effects. The weight loss effect isn't as pronounced with this method but if you want to loss weight T3 and clen are better for that anyway.

[Backcountry]

I plan on running 8iu 3 days per week post workout with 350 mg of test per week.

[funfun]

There is a great article written by TJ and posted on this board by Dave which details the benefits of 3 x week pwo usage. It isn't the end all be all on the subject but TJ has a lot of experience and is well respected. I really recommend anyone how hasn't read it to do so. Since I've read TJ's article I've found several other articles on different boards documenting great results from similar pwo protocol.

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Could you be a good sport and provide the link for this great article written by "TJ" and posted by "Dave".

Has anyone conducted studies to prove that the 3x week pwo protocol is as good or better than ED protocol, or is it just opinion? Doctors don't recommend large doses 3x week, but small daily doses.

I can't see any other reason why large dosing 3x PWO became popular except as a way for bodybuilders to be able to handle large doses without too many side effects. How much of the 8 - 10 iu dose do you think the body can handle at one time? ..baring in mind it has a short half-life measured in hours.

[BIG ASH]

ok so whats food protocol?? pre during and post??? if ur doing gh pwo should u wait to have post shake n supps?? should u still do carbs during training??

[Joshrm78]

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47633

[BillyBadAss]

The article also recommends slin in conjunction with 3x a week PWO protocol. What if a person doesn't want to get into slin. Would 3x a week be as effective as daily.

[BIG ASH]

it doesnt really say anything about carbs pre during and post??

[funfun]

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47633

Thanks!

[BIG ASH]

anyone????

[Joshrm78]

I thought i read somewhere where he said carbs pre workout were no issue. And that Post work out wait a hour after your injection.. Or Drink your shake then wait a hour for your injection...

[BIG ASH]

thanks mate yeah he did i just thought someone would have a good protocol they could post!!

[Joshrm78]

I remember reading one somewhere ill see if i can dig it up..

[BIG ASH]

thanks!!

[Backcountry]

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47633

FunFun, sorry I haven't looked at this thread in a while above is the link to TJs article. I beleive the reason doctors recommend small doses daily is for growth related illnesses in children and for overall health benefits for adults. I don't beleive there have been many official medical studies related to gh use as it relates to body building. TJs article is based on personal experience, as well as observations of competitive bodybuilders and his personal clients.

As for carbs for pwo protocol you don't want to take in any carbs within an hour of the injection. This is counter to what most of us do. Usually I take in carbs with my pwo meal but with gh it can raise your blood sugar which is why insulin is often used with gh. I am a little leary of using slin so I will be avoiding carbs for at least 1 1/2 hours after injections and keeping and monitoring my glucose levels.

[Backcountry]

I just realized Josh already posted the link. Sorry for the slow response.

[TJ]

Good God did you guys read the article I wrote? I never said anything about insulin having to be run with this, matter of fact I've intentionally avoided Insulin for a very good reason, in my opinion 99% of the people on sites like this shouldn't be using it its very dangerous. Does it work, yes very well but its dangerous. Hell if you guys can't even remember what I wrote how can I feel safe telling you to use the single most dangerous chemical an athlete can put into his body? Screw up your GH shot, no big deal. Screw up your steroid shot, no problem. Screw up your Slin shot, free ride to the ER if your lucky, if your not it's a free ride to the morgue. I also never said "carbs pre workout were no issue". GH needs to taken on an empty stomach, food/carbs raise insulin levels and blood sugar levels which both interfere with GH's actions, mainly it's signal to increase IGF-1 levels, which is the single biggest contributor to the muscle gains we get from GH. So either eat long enough ahead of time for the food to be gone post workout and blood sugar levels to normalize, or at a point where you feel the exercise from the workout will cause gastric emptying. I have no idea what that time will be because it will be different for every single person.

[TJ]

A lot of people are turning to this protocol and you have to ask, why?
Most will answer that it eliminates side effects?

This may well be because it reduces the effectiveness of GH. If you use high doses PWO, you may be throwing good product down the toilet.

1. Because it works to build lean mass faster than the daily injects for 6-8 months minimum, simplest answer I can give you.

2. Great way to check if your GH is legit or still potent, if you do the same dose daily you need to run it 6-8 months to really see noticeable results, do the math you'll run through roughly 728ius (26 weeks x 28ius/week = 728ius) and waste a 1/2 year of your life just to find out your stuff is bogus or went bad. With the 3x/week protocol you'll know in 2 weeks, or 60ius.

[TJ]

To be clear here is what I wrote about Insulin:

One last thing, many people will tell you that you need to stack insulin with GH to get it to work, this is bull crap plain and simple. Will you get better results using Insulin, yes, but not because it makes the GH work any better but because Insulin is a very potent drug and the extra gains come from that. I’ve purposely left it out because these cycles are aimed at early users of GH and at this point Insulin shouldn’t even be considered. Save that for years from now when you are struggling to get results from the chemicals you are using now. Use it now and you won’t have anything to turn to later. Hopefully one of the cycles I’ve laid out will help you reach your goals, work hard and it will come!

[TJ]

I thought i read somewhere where he said carbs pre workout were no issue. And that Post work out wait a hour after your injection.. Or Drink your shake then wait a hour for your injection...

Other way around, shot 1st, wait an hour then foods!!

[TJ]

And anyone asking for a study that has evaluated this protocol you won't find one. Then again you won't find one with athletes using GH daily either, the medical community doesn't do studies to further our goals we're left to our own devices here. Only studies with GH you'll find is either on the sick or children with height deficiency's.

[BillyBadAss]

So pwo, do the shot, then no shake or food for 1 hour. Not even a whey shake with no carbs pwo?

[BIG ASH]

what about pre workout drink?? i never said anything about slin?? the norm for me is pre workout drink n.o. type with 30g malti's then about 40g malti and 10g eaa's during then pwo 50/80 shake! so tj ur saying stop all that?? so no supps or drinks befiore during and after for an hour??

thanks for taking the time TJ ur a lagend!!

[goin on 4T]

1. Because it works to build lean mass faster than the daily injects for 6-8 months minimum, simplest answer I can give you.

2. Great way to check if your GH is legit or still potent, if you do the same dose daily you need to run it 6-8 months to really see noticeable results, do the math you'll run through roughly 104ius (26 weeks x 4ius/day = 104ius) and waste a 1/2 year of your life just to find out your stuff is bogus or went bad. With the 3x/week protocol you'll know in 2 weeks, or 60ius.

TJ I think your math is a little off, if you take 4IU's per day and say you are on a 5/2 schedule that would be 20IU's per week; I prefer a 7/0 schedule so that is 28IU's per week @ 26 weeks that would be 728 IU's. The point you are making still that in 2 weeks of the 3x protocal you are @ 60IU's and at best with the 7/0 you are @56IU's, but most people only run 5/2 and get 40IU's in their body in a 2 week period. So you are getting alot more GH per week or 2 weeks or the whole cycle with the 3x protocal.

[TJ]

TJ I think your math is a little off, if you take 4IU's per day and say you are on a 5/2 schedule that would be 20IU's per week; I prefer a 7/0 schedule so that is 28IU's per week @ 26 weeks that would be 728 IU's. The point you are making still that in 2 weeks of the 3x protocal you are @ 60IU's and at best with the 7/0 you are @56IU's, but most people only run 5/2 and get 40IU's in their body in a 2 week period. So you are getting alot more GH per week or 2 weeks or the whole cycle with the 3x protocal.

My math is way off, LOL, I'll go back and edit it. Yes you are getting 40ius in your body in 2 weeks with a 5/2 schedule, what your not getting though with that 5/2 schedule is any visible results its a known fact it takes a minimum of 6 months to see results with low dose daily shots like those your talking. So you'll burn through 6 months of time and even assuming you do a 5/2 set at 4ius the "on" days to lower the total used your still going through a huge amount of time to see if your even going to get anything results wise with your GH.

Again if fat loss or longevity type gains are your goals then yes stick with low dose daily shots. For lean mass gains 3x/week PWO is the way to go one only has to try it to see what I'm talking about.

[trapz]

And anyone asking for a study that has evaluated this protocol you won't find one. Then again you won't find one with athletes using GH daily either, the medical community doesn't do studies to further our goals we're left to our own devices here. Only studies with GH you'll find is either on the sick or children with height deficiency's.

dont forget HIV patients the script 18iu of serostim to daily!!!!! thank god for teh AIdZZ and teh gheyzz or we'd have nothing at all to go on regarding high dosage.

and thank the crooked docs and serono who worked on the studies regarding high bbing like doses of hGH and wasting syndrome saying that it was better/safer than AAS so they could rape people who may be dying charging outrageous prices for a drug that costs the same to produce as insulin, and our fda that im sure had a hand in getting it approved (and hands out open to big pharma come lobbying and donation time lol)

PS i have nothing against gays at all itwas just sarcasm and straight people can still catch the HIV, its just alot harder but u never know if the girls ex BF your plowing was having his rectum plowed on the downlow so better safe than sorry :)

[funfun]

To be clear here is what I wrote about Insulin:

One last thing, many people will tell you that you need to stack insulin with GH to get it to work, this is bull crap plain and simple. Will you get better results using Insulin, yes, but not because it makes the GH work any better but because Insulin is a very potent drug and the extra gains come from that. I’ve purposely left it out because these cycles are aimed at early users of GH and at this point Insulin shouldn’t even be considered. Save that for years from now when you are struggling to get results from the chemicals you are using now. Use it now and you won’t have anything to turn to later. Hopefully one of the cycles I’ve laid out will help you reach your goals, work hard and it will come!

Nicely put!

[funfun]

1. Because it works to build lean mass faster than the daily injects for 6-8 months minimum, simplest answer I can give you.

2. Great way to check if your GH is legit or still potent, if you do the same dose daily you need to run it 6-8 months to really see noticeable results, do the math you'll run through roughly 728ius (26 weeks x 28ius/week = 728ius) and waste a 1/2 year of your life just to find out your stuff is bogus or went bad. With the 3x/week protocol you'll know in 2 weeks, or 60ius.

This is what I keep hearing, but I used GH for 10 weeks. 4 weeks at 4iu per day and the rest of the time at 2iu and gained about 7 kg while losing about 2% bodyfat. I stopped 3 weeks ago due to too many side effects and I'm still holding on to most if not all of that mass gain. Bear in mind too that I was 110 - 112 kg for a full year before I begain using the GH. Now I'm cruising between 116 - 117kg.