T3 question

[larbec7]

Has anyone stayed on T3 longer than 6 weeks. My wife is planning on taking 50 mgs a day and wants to know if she can stay on that dosage forever. When I do it I normally do 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off.

Thanks

[TJ]

Yes I've run it longer as have many of my clients, but I and they stop when the fat losses stop (when using it for fat loss). If she's using it for fat loss then "running it forever" is foolish she will hit a plateau where she won't lose any more fat with it without cycling off for a while.

[Paul Van Dyk]

Yes I've run it longer as have many of my clients, but I and they stop when the fat losses stop (when using it for fat loss). If she's using it for fat loss then "running it forever" is foolish she will hit a plateau where she won't lose any more fat with it without cycling off for a while.


Do you recommend a time on = time off regimen or is two weeks off enough?

[larbec7]

Thanks TJ....

[toothache]

I've ran t3 for 3 months during the summer months.

[GetPumped]

I've ran t3 for 3 months during the summer months.

What did your protocol look like? Peace.

[toothache]

Started at 25mcg ramped up quickly to 75mcg/ed and stayed on that for 3 months.

I did not taper down.

[svtpower97]

Staying on it for a good while whatever forever happens to be for her might not be a good idea. Like all hormones the body will not produce them after a while so forever might become forever literally. I think a better option would be t4 as it converts to t3 in your body, but your body still produces t3 from your thyroid as well.

[larbec7]

Thanks svt and good to hear from you.

Can you take T3 with blood pressure meds? IO started taking T3 yesterday and I felt weird for a couple hours after I took it,,,maybe thats normal

[svtpower97]

Thanks svt and good to hear from you.

Can you take T3 with blood pressure meds? IO started taking T3 yesterday and I felt weird for a couple hours after I took it,,,maybe thats normal

Yeah I do because usually on t3 I take clen and my blood pressure is already high. I use Hyrdochlorothiazide when my blood pressure feels too high, but not on a constant basis. If you felt a tingly feeling in your throat it is most likely your thyroid acting funny because of the hormone. It also raises adrenaline production and that is also where your adrenaline gland is. It goes away after a day or two so you should be okay it is nothing to worry about.

[larbec7]

Has anyone ever gotten a headache from taking them b4? I do not have one but my wife says she has a mild one for the past two day.

[GetPumped]

Started at 25mcg ramped up quickly to 75mcg/ed and stayed on that for 3 months.

I did not taper down.

Were you pleased with the results? Peace.

[beechbuc56]

i just started taking t3 and clen today. i just took 30 mcg of t3 and 40 mcg of clen 10 minutes ago. i am taking this along with my cycle of 100 mg prop daily, and 50 mg tbol daily... we will see what happens over the next 6 weeks...

at the end of my 6 week cycle, should i not taper down? i have read things stating not to.

[Paul Van Dyk]

Can you take T3 with blood pressure meds?



I did. Atenolol (a beta blocker) 100 mg/day as well as aspirin.

[Paul Van Dyk]

It also raises adrenaline production and that is also where your adrenaline gland is.


No it's not. Adrenal glands are located directly above your kidneys.

[igat1969]

I'm on a small dose of T3. I've been taking 20mg 3 times a week for about a year. The only time I go off is when I go off of GH. I'd say that I've been on for about 50 to 75% of the time. Due to travel etc. I often can't take GH so then I don't have a need for the T3.
I don't think that my body has stopped producing T3...probably due to the my low exogenous dosage. On 50mgs/day, it may not be such a good idea to stay on forever.

[svtpower97]

No it's not. Adrenal glands are located directly above your kidneys.
Yup you are right, my bad just the thyroid gland is in your throat.

[freakinhuge]

If you really want to run it long term, I think you could use t3 in a time on vs time off method.

[larbec7]

My body is finally used to 50 mgs a day without any sides

[TJ]

Staying on it for a good while whatever forever happens to be for her might not be a good idea. Like all hormones the body will not produce them after a while so forever might become forever literally. I think a better option would be t4 as it converts to t3 in your body, but your body still produces t3 from your thyroid as well.

Wrong, wrong, wrongo!!!! This has been disproven numerous times. Here's a test, quick name me 1 person who fried their thyroid using T3 long term? Tick, tick, tick..............answer? No one, short of some made up internet guy maybe.

I've posted this before so I'll cut and paste it here to save me some typing, LOL!!

You can use 25mcg/day just fine for 6-12 months, doesn't matter how long your one T3 it takes the same roughly 2 weeks to recover. I have the study, or at least the reference to the study done by M. Greer in 1951 and repeated numerous times with the same outcome that shows that patients who use Thyroid meds for long periods then cease to take them take around 2 weeks to recover, doesn't matter if they were taking them a few days or several years it takes the same time. I have clients use 25mcg/eod and it works fine to, the 1/2 life of T3 is 1- 1.5 days. If your using it to maintain thyroid output thats fine, obviously if your trying to use it to diet for that long you need to rotate on and off it.

Here's the reference to the well known study by Greer in 1951, its been repeated numerous times since then with the same exact outcome.

"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days."

[TJ]

I think a better option would be t4 as it converts to t3 in your body, but your body still produces t3 from your thyroid as well.

Also, be aware that T4 needs a certain enzyme to convert to T3, and its not only in short supply in most of us but its used in numerous hormonal processes and the human body can't make it as needs it so when its gone all that T4 you take goes directly to the toilet. T4 looked great on paper, same as Testosterone precursors did but both fizzled out in real world practical usage.

[larbec7]

TJ, just curious, is this Dr Greer from Aiken SC?

On another note. I am on a beta blocker and also blood pressure meds. Will T3 help me lose weight still? My wife and I are both on T3 and her heart rate is up there while mine stays in the 60 to 70 range during intensive sex or cardio LOL...had to throw the sex in there...It may go to 110 and then comes right back down

[ZOBEX]

Wrong, wrong, wrongo!!!! This has been disproven numerous times. Here's a test, quick name me 1 person who fried their thyroid using T3 long term? Tick, tick, tick..............answer? No one, short of some made up internet guy maybe.

I've posted this before so I'll cut and paste it here to save me some typing, LOL!!

You can use 25mcg/day just fine for 6-12 months, doesn't matter how long your one T3 it takes the same roughly 2 weeks to recover. I have the study, or at least the reference to the study done by M. Greer in 1951 and repeated numerous times with the same outcome that shows that patients who use Thyroid meds for long periods then cease to take them take around 2 weeks to recover, doesn't matter if they were taking them a few days or several years it takes the same time. I have clients use 25mcg/eod and it works fine to, the 1/2 life of T3 is 1- 1.5 days. If your using it to maintain thyroid output thats fine, obviously if your trying to use it to diet for that long you need to rotate on and off it.

Here's the reference to the well known study by Greer in 1951, its been repeated numerous times since then with the same exact outcome.

"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days."


TJ, I disagree, respectively, by taking large doses of T3 you are forcing your body to reduce it's natural production of T4 which it intends to convert into T3. Since it no longer needs the T3 it reduces it's T4. If the body consideres there to be too much T3 it will way reverse production of T4. This is a case of rT3 or also called Wilson's Syndrome.

I would not stake my body on a 1951 report that is older than my body. In 1951 the only thyroid available was natural thyroid made from the ground up thyroid of cows and pigs. I don't think there was any synthetic T3 available then. If so it was mighty early development. In 1971 most T4 prescribed was still natural thyroid but that could not be patented this is why Syntroid T4 was first developed about 1958. That is way past 1951.

I do take daily both T4 and T3. T4 for 38 years and T3 for 5 years now. I also take blood tests and try to balance the numbers to match that of a healty 21 year old.

Z

[TJ]

I realize the Greer study was done in 1951, but it's been repeated with the same results literally dozens of times since. I didn't stumble onto this studying it, I was referred to it by several Endocrinologists. More importantly though between clients, training partners and people I've counseled on the boards on the use of T3 over the years I've worked with hundreds if not thousands of people and with a few exceptions normal Thyroid output returned to normal within that 2 week window, and not one person fried their thyroid no matter how long on or how much they used.

Guess we can agree to disagree.

[svtpower97]

I realize the Greer study was done in 1951, but it's been repeated with the same results literally dozens of times since. I didn't stumble onto this studying it, I was referred to it by several Endocrinologists. More importantly though between clients, training partners and people I've counseled on the boards on the use of T3 over the years I've worked with hundreds if not thousands of people and with a few exceptions normal Thyroid output returned to normal within that 2 week window, and not one person fried their thyroid no matter how long on or how much they used.

Guess we can agree to disagree.

Out of curiosity what were the doses of some of those people and duration taken? I appreciate the input and would definitely love to learn more about t3, specially since it is so "mysterious" and is hard to find people to agree on administration of it.

[slevin]

I have read both sides and done lots of research on T3 and T4 studies as well as Growth Hormone articles. Some say that if you take t3 or gh too long, it will inhibit your natural production and some say that regardless of how long you take it your body will recover. In my opinion, I would say to cycle on and off of ANYTHING. Why would you want to take something ALL the TIME and do nothing naturally? Also, its better to be safe than sorry. Obviously there has been studies for both sides and both sides claim to be correct. which means that because every person is different and reacts differently to anything, some people would recover and some dont. I would recommend cycling on and off...From personal experience with taking t3 t4 growth and other gear, take t3 for maximum 6 weeks and go 2 weeks off..It will shock your body too...

[ZOBEX]

I have read both sides and done lots of research on T3 and T4 studies as well as Growth Hormone articles. Some say that if you take t3 or gh too long, it will inhibit your natural production and some say that regardless of how long you take it your body will recover. In my opinion, I would say to cycle on and off of ANYTHING. Why would you want to take something ALL the TIME and do nothing naturally? Also, its better to be safe than sorry. Obviously there has been studies for both sides and both sides claim to be correct. which means that because every person is different and reacts differently to anything, some people would recover and some dont. I would recommend cycling on and off...From personal experience with taking t3 t4 growth and other gear, take t3 for maximum 6 weeks and go 2 weeks off..It will shock your body too...

Yea that's the thing where you are standing on the issue. This board is now a mix of health nuts and bodybuilding nuts (the word nuts is good here). If you are younger I would expect the human body can take greater or or harsher treatments but the older you get the more discression I would suspect to take. 20 years ago I used juice and all and I could handle a lot more than I can now. Younger I tried a lot of drugs !!!!!!! And am still alive!!. So there you go. If you have a plan and it is used for "cutting" fat and such for building that is one thing and that is many peoples reason for being on this board. Just as the years go by I myself have become more careful or slowing down I guess.

No one lives for ever, I would rather have a few good years than a lot of bad ones. Before Roxanne an I actually married we discussed the big age difference. I let her make a no pressure decission. She said that first, she would rather have a few good years than a lot of bad ones so she picked me. So, I will take every good idea that helps!! That is why I am here, a lot of good ideas and intelligent people to bounce ideas off of. Share experience.

Thanks I say to this board and its members.

Now back to my long board (skate board).

Z

[TJ]

I have read both sides and done lots of research on T3 and T4 studies as well as Growth Hormone articles. Some say that if you take t3 or gh too long, it will inhibit your natural production and some say that regardless of how long you take it your body will recover. In my opinion, I would say to cycle on and off of ANYTHING. Why would you want to take something ALL the TIME and do nothing naturally? Also, its better to be safe than sorry. Obviously there has been studies for both sides and both sides claim to be correct. which means that because every person is different and reacts differently to anything, some people would recover and some dont. I would recommend cycling on and off...From personal experience with taking t3 t4 growth and other gear, take t3 for maximum 6 weeks and go 2 weeks off..It will shock your body too...

See thats where I have one of the problems with T3 supposedly hurting you long term if you use it too long, I don't see any studies saying that, just guys on steroid boards making that "leap" because it applies to other hormones like Testosterone and other steroids. The medical community for the most part believes the often repeated Greer study, that is you'll bounce back in a matter of weeks not shot down for good. Forget what you read on the boards and start doing research using Google, you'll get articles quoting studies reported in places like the New England Journal of Medicine that back up what I'm saying, not lifters on the boards.

Sorry if I come off pissy when it comes to defending my opinion on Thyroid meds but as most of you know I been in this game (lifting) since I was 12 and in 2 days I'll be 47, now I haven't been around T3 for that long but I certainly have been around thyroid meds before they started using man made stuff and not adrenal gland extracted stuff from cadavers. It always interested me and I'd have to say I know more about T3 now than any other chem I've used/studied mainly from real world application, not theory.

[slevin]

See thats where I have one of the problems with T3 supposedly hurting you long term if you use it too long, I don't see any studies saying that, just guys on steroid boards making that "leap" because it applies to other hormones like Testosterone and other steroids. The medical community for the most part believes the often repeated Greer study, that is you'll bounce back in a matter of weeks not shot down for good. Forget what you read on the boards and start doing research using Google, you'll get articles quoting studies reported in places like the New England Journal of Medicine that back up what I'm saying, not lifters on the boards.

Sorry if I come off pissy when it comes to defending my opinion on Thyroid meds but as most of you know I been in this game (lifting) since I was 12 and in 2 days I'll be 47, now I haven't been around T3 for that long but I certainly have been around thyroid meds before they started using man made stuff and not adrenal gland extracted stuff from cadavers. It always interested me and I'd have to say I know more about T3 now than any other chem I've used/studied mainly from real world application, not theory.

No need to apologize-We are all here for the same reasons. To get big, strong, ripped, fit, in shape, whatever....It's good that everyone gives their input. That is exactly why I like this site--I'm 29 and been lifting since 14 /doing training martial arts since 12/playing sports since age 5. Everyone gives their honest opinion and everyone is entitled to that. I don't know everything there is to know and I never will. That's why I come here--i share my knowledge and ask for others knowledge in return. Either way, I think its cool that we have this community to ask questions and get opinions about because what we do is looked at as "deviant" nowadays. Thats a whole new subject, but anyway--For the T3, I've taken it many times and never had a problem with my body not producing it later, but I still cycle on and off of anything I take. With t3 ive always done 6 weeks on and at least 2 weeks off...actually what I like best is t3 for 6 weeks, eca stack for 6 weeks and then hot rox or animal cuts for 6, and then 6 on nothing. Just my opinion....