Helpp

[getbig13]

Ok I'm goin crazy on setting up my cycle. Deca only is out of the question. I have availability to everythnt again, searched hard. Trying to decide on either 250 scherring test e weekly with 200 tren. Or 500 twst 200 tren. Or just 500 test no tren. And possibly adding anadrol to the cycles. I'm 5'6 173lbs 7% bf and want to gain as much size as I can obviously but I don't wan to look to bloated. I wan to still look semi lean. I know thus diet a lot though. Just not sure of the drol i needed or even the tren... I've use all o Rhea drugs before but not very good xompanys all was underdosed.
Tren made me break out bad but it was dirty I think this tren e will b sciorxx . Please give me some input I'm going nuts.

[BROTHER-IRON]

well 250 a week wont do really a damn thing brother
test enan or cyp at 500mg a week with 75mg tren ace e.o.d for strength and tren to melt the fat away..how long do you plan on running this cycle?

[getbig13]

Tren enanthate.

4 weeks anadrol (mabe)
8weeks tren e
12 weeks test e

[Xanthine]

First off...no one can give advice until you give us your previous cycle history.
Also, how old are you and how long have you been training?

(7% BF is about the standard for being on the cover of a fitness/training magazine, If you are that lean, awesome.)

[BROTHER-IRON]

oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry

[jack thomas]

^^^^ what is the rational of running tren-e @ 100mg e.o.d since this is a long acting ester that normal comes in 200mg/ml concentration ?.

j/t.

[BROTHER-IRON]

^^^^ what is the rational of running tren-e @ 100mg e.o.d since this is a long acting ester that normal comes in 200mg/ml concentration ?.

j/t.

i was tryn to spread it out for him because it was kinda a shorter cycle imo i ran tren enan for 16-20 weeks at that mg found it worked pretty good for me imo like that was a .5cc but your right it it comes in 2oomg and now i would do 200 mon and 200 thursday

[getbig13]

I personal train ha I know how to do my bf. Yes 7 percent. And I have ran tren e with enanthate, drol, but it was all underdosed weakest shit I've used. I've done a dbol sust and deca cycle. Sust was 250 dec I ran at 200 and recently I ran a prop cycle t 100 eod.I'm 22 unfortunately got strlarted young, had a bad rolemodel a a cousin who didn't teach me about forums or the harm inwas doing ha. I usually gain and then cut soninrecently cut before vacation and go down to 6 I'm now at 7% bf.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

More info plz

Seems by your post you may not have a lot of experience. Use the KISS method (keep it simple stupid.)

But first....history (age and cycle history, training ect) it would help.

[Xanthine]

I personal train ha I know how to do my bf. Yes 7 percent. And I have ran tren e with enanthate, drol, but it was all underdosed weakest shit I've used. I've done a dbol sust and deca cycle. Sust was 250 dec I ran at 200 and recently I ran a prop cycle t 100 eod.I'm 22 unfortunately got strlarted young, had a bad rolemodel a a cousin who didn't teach me about forums or the harm inwas doing ha. I usually gain and then cut soninrecently cut before vacation and go down to 6 I'm now at 7% bf.

Ok so three cycles of which some made use of gear that was questionable.

I would suggest this:
*500mg Testosterone Cypionate/week for 12 weeks
*Use an AI throughout the cycle to prevent estrogen related bloat and side effects. Testicular atrophy (nuts shrinking) is also tied closley to excessive rises in estrogen.
*Standard Nolva/Clomid PCT starting 2 weeks after the last shot.


I would not advise anyone with a limited AAS knowledge and experience using Trenbolone (regardless of the ester) or Anadrol.

Test only cycles are very effective and very easy to control. After almost 20years of steroid use, I am back to using Testosterone by itself for the reasons I stated above.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

You beat me to the post...lol

Anyways, IMO 22 is to young, but if you are dead set on a cycle to bulk you may want to just try a simple test/deca/d-bol, moderate dose of each, and run for 10 weeks Something like

Test cyp 400 mg week 1-10
Deca 400 mg week 1-10
Dbol Week 1-4 25mg ed

Run some nolva though out. PCT as usual. If a person cant gain from a test/deca/d cycle, you just cant gain...lol

Xanthine's cycle is also VERY effective....less toxic and would give some quality gains. Test is best after all!

[Data]

Haha I always get a kick out of these 170lbs guys who want to be bodybuilders but don't want any water retention. Can't have your cake and eat it to bro. If you want to be 235lbs some day you're going to have to put up with some fluid retention and eat some real food.

12 weeks
250mg Cypionate every other day.
1/2mg Arimidex a couple or three times per week (16 weeks total).

[BIG_GUNS_21]

To true...haha

When I was bulking I went 4 summers flat and bloated...lol



Haha I always get a kick out of these 170lbs guys who want to be bodybuilders but don't want any water retention. Can't have your cake and eat it to bro. If you want to be 235lbs some day you're going to have to put up with some fluid retention and eat some real food.

12 weeks
250mg Cypionate every other day.
1/2mg Arimidex a couple or three times per week (16 weeks total).

[getbig13]

First off data who said I'm trying to be a Body builder? I'm not. Yes I'm 170 but I don't lift or look it. I'm 5'6 with 18" arms and can squat 405 6 times and maxed out my bench at 425. I think I'm doing something right. Anyways I'm not going to sit here and VCR to prove myself. Back to the cycle
my cycles were all good besides my test and tren cycle. Tren cycle was XXXXX and just didn't give me the feel and effects people says so I assumed itcwas underdosed and the test was some gold series test? My deca and sust cycle felt sonmuchbbetter and that's what made me think the tren and teat had to be underdosed. I've don more then just a teat only cycles legit gear. Ohh yeah the deca sust cycle also ha some XXXX dbols.... Those killed the anadrol I had.

First off Data, who said I'm trying to be a Body builder? I'm not.

Yes, I'm 170lbs but I don't lift or look it. I'm 5'6 with 18" arms and can squat 405 6 times and maxed out my bench at 425. I think I'm doing something right.

Anyway I'm not going to sit here and VCR (?) to prove myself.

Back to the cycle:
my cycles were all good, besides my Test and Tren cycle. Tren cycle was XXXXX and just didn't give me the feel and effects people usually report, so I assumed it was under-dosed and the Test was some Gold Series Test?

My Deca and Sust cycle felt so much better and that's what made me think the Tren and Test were under-dosed.

I've done more than just a "Test only" cycle of legit gear.

Ohh yeah the Deca/ Sust cycle also had some XXXX Dbols (thrown in).... Those killed the Anadrol I had.

[Xanthine]

I couldn't understand a lot of that last post mate. Have some respect for the people reading your posts and at least check back over it before you click "post".


I edited your post just this once because you're new :)

[Xanthine]

I'm 170. I'm 5'6 with 18" arms

Those are considerably better proportions than Arnold in his prime.

[Data]

Whoa bro you must be all arms. I'm 5'6" 220lbs. My arms aren't 18" and they are one of my better body parts. I wouldn't ask you to prove yourself cause I'm not going to prove mine either haha. Anyways there sensitive guy don't take my comments too personally. Im not busting your balls or anything. All I'm saying is you're not going to break that 200lbs barrier without eating some food bro. At 6-8% body fat 170lbs you probably aren't eating enough to make some muscular gains. Those are impressive lifts (425lbs/170lbs = 2.5x your weight) and you should weigh more. How many calories are you eating in a day?

[Data]

12 weeks
250mg Cyp EOD

Diet
6 meals
300g protein/day
300g carbs/day
60-100g fat/day

[Xanthine]

I've done more than just a "Test only" cycle of legit gear.

The fact that you threw the "just" in there shows you have no idea how powerful Testosterone can be in the right dosage for the right amount of time.

You are far too defensive and seem to take any cautioning as some kind of criticism. Why? These are powerful drugs we're talking about here.

We actually give a shit about our members here and don't want to see some 22yo kid like you in the PCT forum asking us how to make his balls work again because he hasn't had a hard on in 6months and wants to blow his brains out.

Yes...we get situations like that here as do all the other boards. There is nothing "beginner" about a Test only cycle.

If you can't grow on Test, then you just can't grow. It's a cliché but it's true.

[Xanthine]

12 weeks
250mg Cyp EOD

Diet
6 meals
300g protein/day
300g carbs/day
60-100g fat/day

Perfect :thumbsup:

[razorbackred]

Read the rules please. Discussion of UG labs is not permitted on the boards.
Thanks.




I edited your post just this once because you're new :)

x i dont think he is new. im 170lb and and max at 225lb, 425 is a alot of weight.

[getbig13]

Sorry about my unreadable post. Had a fire in my house and insurance still hasn't replaced my comp. All my posts are done on my phone and since it's touchscreen, I can't make it perfect unless I type slow as hell. My apologies for the ug naming. Thought I could just not give names of sources specifically. Could of sworn I've seen my ug labs mentioned but I'll keep that down for now on.

If I had a comp i would post pics. I'm 5'6 173 7% with a 28" waist. 18" arms and yes can move that weight. My friends call me a genetic freak. I'm eating about 5k cals A day and have never weighed more then 176, eating clean or even pure sloppyness. I'm light cause my legs don't gain easy. They are not tooth picks but compared to my chest and everything they should bd bigger. I squat until I can't walk and do legs twice a week, no one in my family is heavy and no one had big legs. I'm trying though. And data, I can take sarcasm, and criticism, just thought you were being serious about the " I live these 170 lb guys who want to be body builders" because I never said j want to weigh 235 like you mentioned. I do appreciate everyones help and apologise for getting snappy, just rather get help other then criticism.

[Xanthine]

Sorry to hear about the fire, mate. I hope it's sorted out for you soon!

I was just busting your chops about the spelling thing...I've seen worse, NOT posted from a phone. :)

Good luck with the cycle. :thumbsup:

[getbig13]

Thanks! I'll keep everyone posted.

[Data]

You should post your 5Kcal diet bro. Maybe you're not eating that much. In Dorian Yates book he said he never ate much more than that to grow.