Clenbuterol ?

[geones]

Just wondering if this is safe for someone who has cancer. I know AAS are a no no, but I am just wondering if clen is classified in the same category. Sorry if this a stupid question; I just know nothing about it.

Thanks

[svtpower97]

Good question, it is used for asthma so there would be a good place to start checking for reliable medical information.

[geones]

Awesome; thanks SVT.

[Paul Van Dyk]

Maybe it would shake the cancer right outta ya!

[svtpower97]

No problem bro once the old lady falls asleep I'll help out and do some research online as well.

[buffum]

why do you say that aas is not good for people with cancer. I had colon cancer and the docs never took me off hrt.

[Dumbbell_Blonde]

They're using Clen in research on stopping cancer-related wasting syndromes in rats and mice right now:

http://www.cancerletters.info/search/quick?search_area=journal&search_text1=Clenbuterol&restrictName.can=can

http://www.springerlink.com/content/q1214522476888t7/

These abstracts indicate that in mouse and rat studies the Clen won't do anything to the cancer and helps lean mass and appetite (like in normal populations). On the other hand, I'm not a cancer researcher, I'm not a doctor, and I'm not a pharmacist... there are possibilities of drug interactions with the other meds you're taking. I'd look at the drugs you're on and see if there are any possible reactions with Clenbuterol documented. Since that research isn't likely to extist, also see if there are any interactions with other compounds chemically similar/related to Clen.

Hope this is helpful!
DB

[svtpower97]

Abstract The aim of this study was to investigate the effect of a selective beta2-adrenoceptor agonist, clenbuterol, on body composition in tumour-bearing adult and growing mice. Therefore, adult female C57/BL6 mice (n=20) were inoculated subcutaneously with a 3-methylcholanthrene-induced sarcoma and divided into two identical groups. One group received injections twice a day of clenbuterol corresponding to 1 mg/kg body weight, the other group received sham injections. Growing mice (n=20) were similarly divided after tumour inoculation into one study group with clenbuterol injections and one control group. The growing animals were sacrificed on day 11 after commencement of treatment, the adult mice on day 16.
Clenbuterol treatment had no statistically significant effect on accumulated food intake or body composition in the adult mice. However, fooe intake in these animals increased numerically compared to control animals after day 12 of the study. Tumour growth was also unaffected. The growing animals displayed an increased carcass dry weight with borderline significance (p=0.06) and an increased quadriceps muscle fat free dry weight after clenbuterol treatment. Tumour growth was not affected. Food intake measured on a daily basis was significantly increased in the growing clenbuterol treated animals and accumulated food intake was increased with a trend towards statistical significance (p=0.06). The results support the suggestion that treatment with a selective beta2-adrenoceptor agonist does not improve body composition in tumour-bearing adult mice relying on spontaneous food intake while growing animals may benefit from such treatment.

I got the same as DBB but this was only a 16 day study. I wouldn't base my decision solely on that, for me it would have to be a longer project to determine for sure.

[svtpower97]

why do you say that aas is not good for people with cancer. I had colon cancer and the docs never took me off hrt.

Mainly just growth hormone because it causes cells to multiply and as that of course is the last thing you if you have cancer.

[bigpapabuff]

the clenbuterol studies are interesting....

[MrBig]

Maybe you should ask your doc.

[geones]

Wow thanks for the info. all. I am getting pretty jacked at the thought of being able to use it. However, to be safe I am going to ask my Endocronologist. Thanks again for all the info. everyone.

[toothache]

You may want to talk to a doctor about this. This is your life you are dealing with.

[eddie85]

does clen speed you like caffine??? and if not can i use it whith caffine like hydroxycut and cytomel

[Data]

Anabolic steroids are prescribed for people who have chronic wasting conditions such as cancer.

I'm not a doctor but the only cancer I would be concerned about is prostate cancer if you are using steroids.

Its growth hormones and other peptides that you'd want to avoid bro.

[geones]

Anabolic steroids are prescribed for people who have chronic wasting conditions such as cancer.

I'm not a doctor but the only cancer I would be concerned about is prostate cancer if you are using steroids.

Its growth hormones and other peptides that you'd want to avoid bro.Thant

That's awesome to know. So, don't necessarily worry to much about using AAS with cancer? I am going to make sure with my endo. doctor next visit, but this is potentially opening up a whole new world again for me.

Kind of makes sense as after the first time I had cancer I used gear for years and never had a reocurrence until 8 years after stopping using aas.

Thanks

[BROTHER-IRON]

this is a serious thread gents

[svtpower97]

I think that guy Hulk6767 or something like that has had cancer and gotten through it and is using gear now. All of his posts are very informative and researched, he definitely sounds like he knows his shit. I would ask him as well...I am sure he knows more then the rest of us with no experience do.

[Xanthine]

I am going to make sure with my endo. doctor next visit

Hi mate. I wish you well with your treatment and have to say I am glad that you have a relationship with your specialists that allows you to ask these questions.

Obviously the boards could never provide an adequate answer for your question and we'd never try to pass off our "information" as anything that could be construed as medical advice.

[Data]

I think Hulk was using more than anabolic steroids. I recall him mentioning peptides.

[STAYHNGRY]

I think there actually are some AS that can be used while having cancer. In fact, I think that for some people what destroys them is not the cancer itself but the wasting that occurs during chemotherapy. In fact, I remember when Dennis Newman had leukemia they did a story about him and steroids. He said that the treatment made him lose about 40lbs, yet he had the extra lean mass so ended up being about 205lbs after treatment...coming down from about 245lbs. That extra lean mass got him through chemotherapy. He kicked the leukemia and is still around, healthy and training. I honestly think that a lot of the problems with cancer, AIDS and other diseases is the wasting that occurs from treatment. Something anti-catabolic could help that. Of course I am not a doctor and am only presenting a possibility.

[ALIN]

Just wondering if this is safe for someone who has cancer. I know AAS are a no no, but I am just wondering if clen is classified in the same category. Sorry if this a stupid question; I just know nothing about it.

Thanks

I think I would avoid any compound not needed to maintain life if I had cancer.

[svtpower97]

I think Hulk was using more than anabolic steroids. I recall him mentioning peptides.

Oh yeah the time that caught my attention was in a post when he said he is on hgh and still cancer free after a year or so. I didn't know what the deal was with cancer and steroids so I researched it after reading his post and found out the dangers with cancer and hgh.

[Dumbbell_Blonde]

STAYHNGRY:

I think that for some people what destroys them is not the cancer itself but the wasting that occurs during chemotherapy.

They do sometimes prescribe AAS and other steroids to patients with cancer, AIDS, and other wasting diseases like CF. They do it for the exact reason you mentioned: fight the wasting to improve their lives and possibly save them from the actual treatment. CF is a prime but less known example: genetic, no cure, and tremendous wasting effects. A friend of mine has been given a number of varied steroid cycles to increase her weight and help her breathe while fighting that disease's subsidiary infections and symptoms.

geones:

I'm curious what your endo doc says... if you don't mind sharing. If not, no worries. I'm just perpetually curious what different specialists think of steroids. I talked to my former neurologist about *non-medical* steroid use--great conversation with an interesting guy.

Glad to help, and I hope all the best for you in your treatment and training!

DB

[geones]

STAYHNGRY:



They do sometimes prescribe AAS and other steroids to patients with cancer, AIDS, and other wasting diseases like CF. They do it for the exact reason you mentioned: fight the wasting to improve their lives and possibly save them from the actual treatment. CF is a prime but less known example: genetic, no cure, and tremendous wasting effects. A friend of mine has been given a number of varied steroid cycles to increase her weight and help her breathe while fighting that disease's subsidiary infections and symptoms.

geones:

I'm curious what your endo doc says... if you don't mind sharing. If not, no worries. I'm just perpetually curious what different specialists think of steroids. I talked to my former neurologist about *non-medical* steroid use--great conversation with an interesting guy.

Glad to help, and I hope all the best for you in your treatment and training!

DB

Thanks DB, and thanks to all who have shared in this thread. I will definitely post after I talk with my endo. doctor. I hope she says it won't do any harm, but whatever she says is what I'll do.

Thanks again.

[geones]

I had a conversation (albeit brief) with my endo. about clen. and she knew what it was. She stated there are no conclusive studies showing a problematic correlation between clen. and cancer. She gave me the basic warning stuff, however she doesn't feel I should worry to much. I also asked her about aas but this was out of the scope of her knowledge so I thank her for her honesty.

I am also taking Synthroid as a replacement for my thyroid as I don't have one; have been fusing it for years. Does this play into taking clen positively or negatively in any way?

Thanks all; hope the new year was great for everyone.