MGF journal

[Enanthanator]

Ok, started MGF tonight... First problem is the way the vials are sealed. I popped of the plastic lid and the metal seal loosened a bit...I didnt think much of it until I turned bottle upside down and lost some MGF...probably lost 100mcg's worth a little pissed because its going to make my cycle a bit short but I will live. So caution note to others in the future, be very careful with those plastic lids...I have done this before a number of times without ever experiencing this problem I am hoping it was just this one vial.

Other than that, I injected 250mcg sub-q. Painless for all you pussies that want to know, but there is a sensation a few minutes later, not painful but just a slight burning. Tomorrow is going to be IGF 4 shots at 15mcg each (2 am 2 pwo) and slin, 10iu's each shot 1 am 1pwo. My cylcle for those that dont know:

changed a little bit since last week (I always try to tweak things)

100mg prop/tren a daily
600mg deca weekly
800mg eq weekly
100mg var daily
100mg winny daily
60mcg IGF 3 times pw
250mcg mgf 3 times pw
20ius slin 3 times pw

just added proviron to the mix a few days ago at 50mg daily (may up it to 75)

Tomorrow is leg day so we will see how that goes. Training lately has been extremely intense...gut wrenching and it has paid off. Put on pants and a belt sat night that I wore last month (29 days ago to be exact) was down almost 3 notches on my belt and the pants were loose compared to being tight...

weight this morning 239.5
height 5'11
age 31
Only measurement I took was arms-19" cold...wont measure again until end of cycle
bf probably around 12%

I will keep you all posted.

[bigjimmy]

Ok, started MGF tonight... First problem is the way the vials are sealed. I popped of the plastic lid and the metal seal loosened a bit...I didnt think much of it until I turned bottle upside down and lost some MGF...probably lost 100mcg's worth a little pissed because its going to make my cycle a bit short but I will live. So caution note to others in the future, be very careful with those plastic lids...I have done this before a number of times without ever experiencing this problem I am hoping it was just this one vial.

Other than that, I injected 250mcg sub-q. Painless for all you pussies that want to know, but there is a sensation a few minutes later, not painful but just a slight burning. Tomorrow is going to be IGF 4 shots at 15mcg each (2 am 2 pwo) and slin, 10iu's each shot 1 am 1pwo. My cylcle for those that dont know:

changed a little bit since last week (I always try to tweak things)

100mg prop/tren a daily
600mg deca weekly
800mg eq weekly
100mg var daily
100mg winny daily
60mcg IGF 3 times pw
250mcg mgf 3 times pw
20ius slin 3 times pw

just added proviron to the mix a few days ago at 50mg daily (may up it to 75)

Tomorrow is leg day so we will see how that goes. Training lately has been extremely intense...gut wrenching and it has paid off. Put on pants and a belt sat night that I wore last month (29 days ago to be exact) was down almost 3 notches on my belt and the pants were loose compared to being tight...

weight this morning 239.5
height 5'11
age 31
Only measurement I took was arms-19" cold...wont measure again until end of cycle
bf probably around 12%

I will keep you all posted.

Fantastic cycle! Just to clarify is that 100mg of prop and 100mg of tren or is it a mix???

Would love to see before and after pics!!!! How long do you plan on running the cycle and are you running the peptides through the entire length of the cycle?

Jim.

[Gavin Kane]

This will be a temporary sticky since Enan is a highly respected member and I am sure you would all like to follow his experience/feedback.

[Rage101]

wow.. couldn't make my log a sticky and I was the first!!! i'm kidding, they all add to the knowledge.

[Enanthanator]

The cycle itself I am running indefinitely. Its a prop/tren combo 100mg each. As far as the peptides 4 on, 2 off, 4 on. Thanks GK, appreciate my first ever sticky!!! Rage HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! J/K your journal was very informative to me...

Today, I woke up. Same weight, no abnormalities growing anywhere yet. No discomfort at injection site. Feel good so far. Maybe a little hungrier than usual but not sure yet. I will see how my appetite is as far as the day goes. I will try to take some pics tomorrow and post them up.

[Enanthanator]

Just got back from the gym. I only took one shot so I dont think I would feel anything right away. Overall no intense pumps but I did feel pretty strong today. I hit 5 plates on my squat for 6 clean reps. Finished up with 20@315. Nothing out of ordinary but I have not squatted 5 plates in a long time and never have I done it this clean. I doubt its the MGF or IGF just yet because my leg strength has been going up each workout but who knows. Last week I did 465 for 5 reps not nearly as clean, 3 were clean 2 were crap. Overall I was a bit lethargic today, which I am sure was from IGF. Diet has remained the same as what it has been. Tomorrow is another day. I forgot to mention I do have a slight headache right now and my body seemed warmer today. I dont feel sick at all but I was sweating like a pig in the gym.

[tapout]

hey bro.,
does the tren, deca, ,eq keep your dick from working properly?i've ran into problems with tren and deca.i was running 200mg prop a day then.
can't wait to see your results!

[Enanthanator]

nothin cialis doesnt fix.

[Enanthanator]

OK, this morning 241.7. Nothing unusual about that my weight has been fluctuating from 240-243 during mornings. This week was the first that I hit 239 in months. Last night it was a bit higher than it has been, 247. Today is chest day, pretty excited about lifting again. Tonight will also be my second shot. I will be taking pics tonight as well, post them by tomorrow. Overall, feel good, no noticeable change yet though.

[Powerlifter1028]

i work out first thing in the morning, should i take my MGF 24 hours in advance the previous morning?

[Enanthanator]

That would probably be the only way. PEG MGF BJ?

[Enanthanator]

Ok, great workout in the gym. Still waiting to feel the incredible pumps that I hear about but I have only taken two shots. Felt really strong again tonight, almost as if there was not enough weights in the gym. I also had endless amounts of energy to lift, which amazed me considering I was exhausted when I got to the gym. We actually trained bis and tris, my partners shoulders were a little sore so we decided to wait till sat to train chest. Tomorrow I should have hit chest but I may do a light back workout instead since I blasted my tri's today. I should probably take the day off from lifting but I just cant at this point, I feel to damn good. Weight tonight was 246.5. Once again diet has been on point. I am eating a ton of carbs each day and still managing not to put on fat. I eat on average 6 cups of oatmeal per day, plus my pwo carbs. Also I eat probably over a half a box of Kashi everymorning, and a quart of skim throughout the day. All my protein is clean and from kashi, skim milk, ham, tuna, chicken, (today was bad I had 5 slices of provolone). I am limiting most fats and cravings for Sundays. Also, I think my appetite is increasing.

[Enanthanator]

Ok, second shot was last night...Feel a little tired now, took my IGF this morning. Weight was 240.1 this am. No body soreness, I was expecting to be slightly sore because of my grueling workout but nothing. I feel like I could train arms again today. My legs also feel 100% better, almost no pain, yesterday they were very sore.

[Enanthanator]

Just got back from gym (2nd session did some light cardio tonight). Lifts were strong again today. I feel pretty amazing right now in the gym. It was my intention to have a light back workout today since it was my second one this week but that didnt go as planned. I finished up on the nautilus row machine, 1 arm, 6 plates each side. I was actually disappointed that I could not fit more weight...Tomorrow will be a good test of strength...chest day!!! Cant wait for tomorrow. Tonight's weight was 247.2. Still major weight swings between day and night. Appetite is still increasing. Cardio is improving as well. I barely felt like I was breathing tonight on the elliptical machine. I am kinda disappointed that I am not taking MGF tomorrow night...Diet was pretty solid today, I did cheat, I had a half of a blt sandwich. Felt guilty about it too. Wish I had it now, I am starving.

[2legit2quit]

You said that you are eating a ton of carbs and not putting on fat, so is that to say you feel your body fat % is staying the same or would you say it is decreasing? Or maybe it's just to early to tell? Also, are you having pretty bad night sweats with this combo?

Thanks.

[Enanthanator]

Its probably too early to tell. I think I looked a little fuller this morning but my weight is remaining about the same, 240.7 this morning. No night sweats for some reason...I know my bf% has been going down over the last 2 months. Just hard to say if there is any change since adding MGF yet. Hopefully by the end of next week there will be a noticeable diff. On average day I eat 6 cups of dry oats minimum and about 6 cups of kashi cereal. I am probably taking in 600-700 grams of carbs daily. Fat around 75g, protein around 300-400grams daily. So I am taking in around 4500 cals average daily. Not gaining any weight on the scale but actually losing, although losing very slowly. Maybe 1/2-1lb per week.

[rickyboy36]

Are you cutting bro..or trying to bulk...?

[Enanthanator]

I am looking to add lean mass without fat. Difficult task...I am only looking to put on a modest 5lbs over the next 10 weeks...But 5lbs of muscle not just mass...sounds easy but its not...

Bad weekend...I had a few drinks Saturday, woke up sunday with a hangover and dehydrated. 236lbs Sunday morning. Pigged out Sunday and Yesterday, and a little this morning. Yesterday was upto 241, today 241.7. Didnt lift yesterday either but today had an awesome leg workout. Feeling much better. When I got to gym I wanted to go home but I stuck it out and had a great workout. Tomorrow is back and traps, one of my favorites to train. Sucks my partner is going to see his family for holiday though...

[Moe-Mentum]

Keep it going E.
Sounds like your on your way to becoming the biggest and baddest E yet if you can avoid those hangovers.:)

Wish you the best bro.
I'll be keeping up on your progress.

[Enanthanator]

Thanks Moe...stupid me...been 6 weeks or so since my last night of drinking...no more this cycle...so fucking annoyed at myself...but its over and I have to make the best of whats left of my MGF...

[spnsis1]

what kind of igf are u using?

[Enanthanator]

Omega and switching to IGTropin this week

[spnsis1]

Omega and switching to IGTropin this week

sorry for being such a newb, but are those media or receptor? and where do u that igf?

[Enanthanator]

IGTropin is made by gensci, supposed to be receptor. Omega...well I believe they claim receptor but doesnt everyone??? IGF I am doing IM

[spnsis1]

does a board sponsor sell that or no? anyway you have a very promising, educating and entertaining thread going on right now. good luck with your cycle.

[Enanthanator]

Thanks...Pro peptides carrys IGTropin...IGF king used to sponsor here not sure if he does anymore but he had omega...

[Enanthanator]

239.1 this morning...shocking considering I pigged out the last few days...cut back cardio too this week. Lifts are still up...Back and traps today...cant wait!!

[L.W.]

Noticing any local growth from the MGF and IGF?

[Enanthanator]

Not yet, definitely not yet. I am shooting MGF sub-q though. IGF is IM...I am looking fuller, veins are popping out everywhere again.

[Rage101]

When I did it, I didn't notice anything for local growth. I rotated injection sites so much it would be hard to tell.

E, do you happen to have any lagging parts to inject regularly to look for local growth?

[Enanthanator]

Not really rage, pretty happy with my symetry and nothing seems to be lagging.

[Enanthanator]

Didnt post yesterday...Yesterday' weight 241 in the morning. I hit chest yesterday, without my training partner so workout was not my usuall 110% effort but still intense. My chest was sore from prop so that didnt helpe either. Only did hammer strength for pressing, which felt good. When up to 5 plates each side for 8 clean reps. Usually hit 6 but 6 plates falls off if there is no one there to hold them. If I did I probably could have hit 6 reps on that as well. Finished up with calves...only warmed up with 5 mins of cardio too... Pigged out yesterday...woke up this morning to 244 on the scale...Shoulders today...

[Carlito]

Not yet, definitely not yet. I am shooting MGF sub-q though. IGF is IM...I am looking fuller, veins are popping out everywhere again.

PEG MGF or hMGF needs to be injected IM, the fast acting hMHG can be injected IM on muscle ( muscle you want t improve ) within 45 minutes after exercising and the PEG MGF would be ideal prior to exercise or hours after. Stacking these two could be great as well , PEG MGF every night and days you are OFF ( non workout days ) and the hMGF everytime post work out.

Honestly the dosages are way below and that is why you are not noticing any results. You need at least 100mcgs on each muscle whether is hMGF or PEG MGF..I'll go igher on the PEG MGF though maybe 200mcgs to 400mcgs daily.

I have some hMGF on me and will have some PEG MGF, I would donate one of each to TWO respected member of this board who are willing to test them for me using my protocol. Not for advertising purposes BUT to clarify this MGF thing once and for all and let you decide which one works best and what dosages too.

Are you guys down with this?

I'll ask the owner for permission of ocurse.

Thanks,

C

[Rage101]

Carlito, the pegylation of MGF allows it to go systemic so you can shoot SQ, it even crosses the blood brain barrier with the neuroprotective effects that are being studied. There is no doubt that the pegylated version goes systemic. Technically you shouldn't have to shoot IM to see results. When I did peg MGF I shot IM and rotated sites. I made great gains on 166mcg twice per week. I think the doses are debatable too, i'm interested in any info you have for higher doses.

If you have some MGF that you want to give away, i'd be flexible on a dose schedule and protocol. I'd log here too... I'm more than interested in peptides right now, my latest interest.

[L.W.]

Is hMGF the older version, that may be site specific?

[L.W.]

I"m going to be starting PEGMgf 200mcg 2 times a week very soon. But I'm open to other protocals.

[Enanthanator]

You can cant me in Carlito. I am shooting Sub-q because it is systematic. I wasnt looking for localized growth on this cycle but overall growth.

[Carlito]

Rage101,

MGF exists only in skeletal muscle, I assume byt going systemic then is going too all muscles in the human therefore a higher dosage is needed don't you think?

hMGF is the naturally ocurring human L form MGF or IGF-IEc a splice variant isoform of IGF-1.

Here is the amino acid sequence of hMHG:

Tyr-Gln-Pro-Pro-Ser-Thr-Asn
-Lys-Asn-Thr-Lys-Ser-Gln-Arg
-Arg-Lys-Gly-Ser-Thr-Phe-Glu
-Glu-Arg-Lys

To PEGylate MGF the D-Arg form MGF is needed which is this one:

Tyr-Gln-Pro-Pro-Ser-Thr-Asn
-Lys-Asn-Thr-Lys-Ser-Gln-D-Arg
-D-Arg-Lys-Gly-Ser-Thr-Phe-Glu
-Glu-Arg-Lys

PEGylation is a complex proccess but in this case will help the peptide to be more stable but not more potent therefor requiring less injections but still these must be injected IM on muscles one wants to improve.

Based on feedback and personal experiences 1mcg to 3mcgs per kilogram of bodyweigth on each muscle would be enough.

Guys, 25mcgs, 50mcgs won't do the job trust me, I know of national level competitors using as much as 400mcgs per muscle of the hMGF and getting great results.

Thanks,

C

[Enanthanator]

I am taking 250mcg three times per week. I am considering for next cycle going up as well more out of curiosity than anything else.

[Carlito]

L.W and Enanthanator, I would like you botht to test the MGF i got please but like I said I need to ask for permission and also no need to mention the company's name either, most dometic peptide suppliers are getting them from one domestic company who gets his from China so all are the same really. Ag guy's MGF I have tried and worked very well.

Thanks,

C

[Enanthanator]

Carlito, is it straight MGF or Peg?

[Rage101]

Rage101,

MGF exists only in skeletal muscle, I assume byt going systemic then is going too all muscles in the human therefore a higher dosage is needed don't you think?

hMGF is the naturally ocurring human L form MGF or IGF-IEc a splice variant isoform of IGF-1.

Here is the amino acid sequence of hMHG:

Tyr-Gln-Pro-Pro-Ser-Thr-Asn
-Lys-Asn-Thr-Lys-Ser-Gln-Arg
-Arg-Lys-Gly-Ser-Thr-Phe-Glu
-Glu-Arg-Lys

To PEGylate MGF the D-Arg form MGF is needed which is this one:

Tyr-Gln-Pro-Pro-Ser-Thr-Asn
-Lys-Asn-Thr-Lys-Ser-Gln-D-Arg
-D-Arg-Lys-Gly-Ser-Thr-Phe-Glu
-Glu-Arg-Lys

PEGylation is a complex proccess but in this case will help the peptide to be more stable but not more potent therefor requiring less injections but still these must be injected IM on muscles one wants to improve.

Based on feedback and personal experiences 1mcg to 3mcgs per kilogram of bodyweigth on each muscle would be enough.

Guys, 25mcgs, 50mcgs won't do the job trust me, I know of national level competitors using as much as 400mcgs per muscle of the hMGF and getting great results.

Thanks,

C

C,
I understand the purpose of the D-arg in place of L-arg. I also understand that NATURALLY produced MGF may only come from muscles and likely stays local only in that muscle. The pegylation does increase solubility of the MGF we are INJECTING and allows the pegMGF to travel through the blood to all muscles of the body. In one sentence you mention hMGF and the next you mention pegMGF. The half life and solubility of hMGF and pegMGF are different things. Everyone here is taking pegMGF as far as I know and it goes systemic. The older hMGF does need local injection, pegMGF can be taken SQ or IM.

And as far as I know, nobody has said they are going to take doses as low as 25-50mcg. Pretty much everyone is withing the 1-3mcg per kg range per dose that you mentioned. One other thing that would be debatable would be the dose ranges of pegMGF and hMGF. You could argue that with the increased half life that lower doses of pegMGF are required. Even if that lower dose dose travel throughout the body the increased half life may make up for the "lower" concentration due to it being spread out through the body. I think we are well above natural physiologic levels of MGF.

the frequency of injections could be debated though. I'm interested in how often you want them to inject?

I did share one common thought with you. I did shoot IM when I did it, just in case there is local growth. Although I know it was going systemic.

[Carlito]

Carlito, is it straight MGF or Peg?

Hello,

Is the human MGF, straight, regular I call it naturally ocurring MGF :D

Since you are already using PEG MGF trying this other MGF would help notice a difference so is perfect for the experiment!

I can send you the regualar MGF this monday if you like, i'll cover express shipping no worries. But please use at least 200mcgs on each muscle and do 2 muscle per day a total of 400mcgs daily and this vial that has 2mgs will last you 5 days, this should be enough time to see the difference. This MGF is real and is manufacturer by one of the leading biochemical compnaies in China, musch credit is attributed to them like for example Obestatin ;)

Thanks and lmk your addy via or PM or email me at: cblrep@keptprivate.com

C

[Carlito]

C,
I understand the purpose of the D-arg in place of L-arg. I also understand that NATURALLY produced MGF may only come from muscles and likely stays local only in that muscle. The pegylation does increase solubility of the MGF we are INJECTING and allows the pegMGF to travel through the blood to all muscles of the body. In one sentence you mention hMGF and the next you mention pegMGF. The half life and solubility of hMGF and pegMGF are different things. Everyone here is taking pegMGF as far as I know and it goes systemic. The older hMGF does need local injection, pegMGF can be taken SQ or IM.

And as far as I know, nobody has said they are going to take doses as low as 25-50mcg. Pretty much everyone is withing the 1-3mcg per kg range per dose that you mentioned. One other thing that would be debatable would be the dose ranges of pegMGF and hMGF. You could argue that with the increased half life that lower doses of pegMGF are required. Even if that lower dose dose travel throughout the body the increased half life may make up for the "lower" concentration due to it being spread out through the body. I think we are well above natural physiologic levels of MGF.

the frequency of injections could be debated though. I'm interested in how often you want them to inject?

I did share one common thought with you. I did shoot IM when I did it, just in case there is local growth. Although I know it was going systemic.

Thank for you reply friend,

All i can say i will know when i get my PEG MGF soon, I have been using hMGF and works well as long as I do not go over 2 weeks maybe 3 weeks max.

Also, is you have PEG MGF circulating for 48 hours that means you need to work out all day which is of course impossible, MGF is required ONLY when muscle fibers have been damage and naturally that is when is expressed.



I will let you know.

Thank you,

C

[L.W.]

Interesting C.

This reminds me of when IGF first came widely available. Thanks to guys like Carillto, Rage, Grunt, Enath and of course GK (hope I didnt miss anyone) I'm sure in a year or two we will have a much better idea on how to run it.

I"d love to be a guinea pig. I have PegMGF in my fridge right now that I will run once my IGF shows up. I will post more info when I start it. I think I will do 400mcg/week to start. If that doesnt work I will give carilitto's method a shot.

[Carlito]

Interesting C.

This reminds me of when IGF first came widely available. Thanks to guys like Carillto, Rage, Grunt, Enath and of course GK (hope I didnt miss anyone) I'm sure in a year or two we will have a much better idea on how to run it.

I"d love to be a guinea pig. I have PegMGF in my fridge right now that I will run once my IGF shows up. I will post more info when I start it. I think I will do 400mcg/week to start. If that doesnt work I will give carilitto's method a shot.

Sounds good, please PM me or email me your addy at cblrep@keptprivate.com and since I do not have any PEG MGF yet but I do have the hMGF I'll send you 1 vial of it.

Please use as follows:

total per day 400mcgs
on muscle group ( left and right 200mcgs each )
inject IM preferably within 45 minutes after exercise.
if you chose let's say biceps then on chest, leg and shoulder days add one compound exercise of 3 sets to cause some damage, do not worry to overtrain MGF is there to help;) also you will do only one exercise should it should be fine.

One vial will last you 5 days and will be enought o see results whether it worked or not lmk and how it compares to gains with PEG MGF

Thanks,

C

[Enanthanator]

Shoulders and traps tonight...I was pretty tired walking in the gym so it took me a few sets to get into it. Lifts were about the same as last week, which I cant complain about considering my partner is away and I really was exhausted. Pump was pretty good and vascularity is still insane. Not sure if that can be attributed to any one thing but I know I have never been this heavy in weight before and looked this good either. I think I might add that 5lbs of lean mass by the end of this cycle.

[Gavin Kane]

Carlito please understand that hMGF has a half life of around 17 mins on avg, not enough time to repair or sequence the intended cell proliferation people were seeking, hence the need to overdose as you are doing.

The half like of Peg/MGF is about 42 hours on avg in testing by Goldspink. It is systemic, therefore, IM injections are absolutely not necessary as with hMGF as you claim. It will target skeletal muscle, it attaches to damaged tissue first.

Because Pegylation protects the enzyme, it absolutely does increase the effectiveness, making it far more potent than the easily damaged hMGF enzyme, so lower doses are readily available for uptake and use.

Your info on hMGF is correct, you need to research more of Goldspink's Peg articles before you compare the two.

[Powerlifter1028]

Carlito please understand that hMGF has a half life of around 17 mins on avg, not enough time to repair or sequence the intended cell proliferation people were seeking, hence the need to overdose as you are doing.

The half like of Peg/MGF is about 42 hours on avg in testing by Goldspink. It is systemic, therefore, IM injections are absolutely not necessary as with hMGF as you claim. It will target skeletal muscle, it attaches to damaged tissue first.

Because Pegylation protects the enzyme, it absolutely does increase the effectiveness, making it far more potent than the easily damaged hMGF enzyme, so lower doses are readily available for uptake and use.

Your info on hMGF is correct, you need to research more of Goldspink's Peg articles before you compare the two.


thanks for clearing up the confusion gk

[Carlito]

Carlito please understand that hMGF has a half life of around 17 mins on avg, not enough time to repair or sequence the intended cell proliferation people were seeking, hence the need to overdose as you are doing.

The half like of Peg/MGF is about 42 hours on avg in testing by Goldspink. It is systemic, therefore, IM injections are absolutely not necessary as with hMGF as you claim. It will target skeletal muscle, it attaches to damaged tissue first.

Because Pegylation protects the enzyme, it absolutely does increase the effectiveness, making it far more potent than the easily damaged hMGF enzyme, so lower doses are readily available for uptake and use.

Your info on hMGF is correct, you need to research more of Goldspink's Peg articles before you compare the two.


Ok then I'll know when I try and test the PEG MGF iam getting soon.

Thanks,

C

[Enanthanator]

250lbs last night...I was a little shocked at that. 243.1 this morning. Today is bi's/tris. Probably going to get some cardio in again today. Traps are sore as hell from yesterday.

[Enanthanator]

246 this morning...scared to see what the scale will say after today...I feel pretty damn amazing right now. Muscles look full, very full. Not bloated but just full!!! My strength is going up still. Pumps are ok, nothing spectacular. I dont look like I put any fat on, as far as I can tell. Today I just did some cardio, abs, and calves. Tomorrow my partner comes back so I should have a sick workout. Looking forward to that. He hasnt seen me since Tuesday so hopefully he will see a difference. Stamina is still up on cardio even though I slacked a little this week and put on some weight. Pushed myself today doing cardio and it felt good. Also received my jins so I added that on Friday. Only 3 days per week. Not sure what dose I am going to stick with...I am going to attempt 10ius but I think the sides will be too severe, even at 3 days per week.

[Enanthanator]

Ok scale wasnt too bad last night 251.2, this morning 246.3. Still feel full and not bloated...I will post after today's workout...

[L.W.]

Have you run jins before?

[Enanthanator]

Yep, I love them...Cheap and effective...2nd to only Serostim in my book. Did you get your IGF yet LW? I hope you post a log as well with your MGF exp. I am actually becoming a believer in it...

[L.W.]

I should have everything today....knock on wood, cross fingers and anything else you can think of.

[Enanthanator]

I should have everything today....knock on wood, cross fingers and anything else you can think of.

lmfao...you sound like me...

Today's training was intense as hell. I pushed very hard today and the pump crippled me. Probably one of the worst chest pumps I have ever had. At the end of my workout I had to sit down I was slightly naseaus and the pain was killing me. My strength was ok. Started with incline BB and I got to the gym a little late so I didnt get my cardio warm up which really screwed me up. After incline I was feeling better and started pushing. Tomorrow I know my chest is going to be in pain...I will weigh in later...

[synthetic]

i'd like to give a warning... if the person you are ordering this from, as he's the only one I've seen to carry it, offers a small discount to people using egold 2% I believe it was..., be warned, I was mailed tren that was not tren. Cost me a client too, as I backed my source above my client. He was a good guy too, I feel horrible about the situation now. Offered to correct it, but can't really correct that I called him a liar basically.
Might have been a simple mistake on the sources part, but he wouldnt admitt it to be one, or attempt to correct the issue, just pass broken english that it was "best quality of tren!"
everyone knows tren when you take it.. you can smell it.. I ran it for 4 weeks -no signifigant gains... no tren cough/smell. Definitely not tren.

[Enanthanator]

i'd like to give a warning... if the person you are ordering this from, as he's the only one I've seen to carry it, offers a small discount to people using egold 2% I believe it was..., be warned, I was mailed tren that was not tren. Cost me a client too, as I backed my source above my client. He was a good guy too, I feel horrible about the situation now. Offered to correct it, but can't really correct that I called him a liar basically.
Might have been a simple mistake on the sources part, but he wouldnt admitt it to be one, or attempt to correct the issue, just pass broken english that it was "best quality of tren!"
everyone knows tren when you take it.. you can smell it.. I ran it for 4 weeks -no signifigant gains... no tren cough/smell. Definitely not tren.

Are you in the right thread???? I have no clue what you are talking about...

[L.W.]

Lots of guys carry MGF.

I know of 3 that carry PegMgf(only one that sells openly and is the best to go with for now IMO).

Not sure who you are talking about. The guy we dealt with is backed by a ton of boards though so no worries.

[Enanthanator]

Damn, I am blowing up...248.9 this morning. I dont feel or look fat at all, well let me rephrase I dont feel or look bloated because I am far from fat. Mentally I am having a hard time with this weight. I feel great and I have never looked this lean at this weight before either...But being this heavy fucks with my little pea brain...So I went and did cardio this morning after I weighed in. Felt fine. Legs were a little tired but other than that felt good. Been 2 weeks since I have gotten up early for cardio (approximately) but I felt I needed to stay up after looking at the scale (my biggest enemy). I probably have the same amount of definition as when I started but I am just bigger now...I am a believer in PMgf. It works. Just in case anyone missed part of this, my weight on the 22nd of this month, 6 days ago was 239.5. Thats unfucking believable...

[JC2007]

Damn, I am blowing up...248.9 this morning. I dont feel or look fat at all, well let me rephrase I dont feel or look bloated because I am far from fat. Mentally I am having a hard time with this weight. I feel great and I have never looked this lean at this weight before either...But being this heavy fucks with my little pea brain...So I went and did cardio this morning after I weighed in. Felt fine. Legs were a little tired but other than that felt good. Been 2 weeks since I have gotten up early for cardio (approximately) but I felt I needed to stay up after looking at the scale (my biggest enemy). I probably have the same amount of definition as when I started but I am just bigger now...I am a believer in PMgf. It works. Just in case anyone missed part of this, my weight on the 22nd of this month, 6 days ago was 239.5. Thats unfucking believable...

9.4 lbs. in six days...

You're fucking rights that's sick! Congrats! :thumbsup:

Now I look forward to seeing the rest of your results.

I'm not sold yet on MGF but I'm paying close attention to your journal...

Do you like this better than IGF so far?

[Enanthanator]

At this point I would say for building muscle and looking better it blows IGF away. But I am not 100% sure it would be this effective without IGF either...I have run IGF without MGF and have had decent results but never ran MGF by itself...

[Powerlifter1028]

WHOA!! i am on day 1 of MGF today, this sounds awesome

is it possible to build 10lbs of muscle in a week? i know you say that you dont feel bloated, but that is unreal.

[Enanthanator]

Well I have been on for 2 weeks now. I dont know if it has a cumalitive effect or not. There might be a couple of lbs of water in there but I doubt more than 3...which would still be pretty amazing if I gained 7lbs of lean mass. I just know that I normally don't explode like this. I have been eating a good amount of food but not enough to make those types of gains. My abs are still as visible as they were last week.

[L.W.]

What is the half life of MGF anyway?

[Enanthanator]

I dont think they have determined it yet...From my understanding it is between 24-48 hours but I am not 100% on that.

[bellicose]

you're on alot of shit......sure the gains are from the mgf?

[Enanthanator]

Been on that cycle previously to starting MGF. The only things I added was var and winny recently. GH I have only taken 2 shots of as well. I ran a similar cycle a earlier this year without the peptides and a little more prop and tren and didnt have these type of results.

[bellicose]

i hope its that effective without the sauce too...i'm in pct right now and just got my igf and mgf and i'm doing the same dosing schedule as you.

[Enanthanator]

I was wondering the same thing Bell. Definitely keep us posted.

[bellicose]

will do!
Its so hard being off.....first time in a couple years i've been clean and just looking at your cycle makes me salivate

[L.W.]

I believe AP ran MGF solo the first time he used it. I remember him saying he was on GH before starting the MGF but stopped it so as to see what effect the MGF had. He made good gains even though he was not on anything else.

Hope it lives up to the hype. Taking my first shot today.

[Enanthanator]

I though he was on 500mg of test per week LW?

[Rage101]

AP/Gk was on 500mg of test per week, but that was considered HRT for him.

[L.W.]

Ya you are right...but for him that is almost nothing...lol...Mr. Three Grams there!!

[Grunt76]

I dont think they have determined it yet...From my understanding it is between 24-48 hours but I am not 100% on that.

The pegylated MGF has a half-life of 48 hours +/- 1hour or so, as per Goldspink.

You know, I have to point out that having done a lot of cycles and some cycles with IGF-1 pretty much ensure that you have more or less depleted your myoblasts. That would be the reason why you are having that much success with the pMGF. A beginner might not get much out of it. I think the more experienced you are, the better MGF will be. That's my theory, let's see if it pans out... ;)

[Powerlifter1028]

The pegylated MGF has a half-life of 48 hours +/- 1hour or so, as per Goldspink.

You know, I have to point out that having done a lot of cycles and some cycles with IGF-1 pretty much ensure that you have more or less depleted your myoblasts. That would be the reason why you are having that much success with the pMGF. A beginner might not get much out of it. I think the more experienced you are, the better MGF will be. That's my theory, let's see if it pans out... ;)

ehh,...myoblasts??? can you explain that in a little clearer detail for us non biology fella's? hehe thank you, you and GK make me more humble

[Enanthanator]

lol...myoblasts...had to get all technical on us mentally inferior people. Anyway, I will write some shit that even the dumbest bastard can understand now... I had another kick ass workout!!! Two workouts in a row and I am feeling that pump...it is incredible my whole back felt insane...Diet was back on track today 100%, not one cheat meal or even cheat bite...nothing. My joints are a bit sore but that must be from the introduction of GH. Joints are very sore today and yesterday too. But nothing that I cant deal with. Just to see if my stomach got bigger I am going to try on pants that were loose on me a couple of weeks back...I suspect they will still be loose on me. I will post up weight later on...

[Gavin Kane]

Myoblasts:

Myoblasts are a type of stem cells that exist in muscles. Skeletal muscle cells are called muscle fibers and are made when myoblasts fuse together; muscle fibers therefore have multiple nuclei.

[jack thomas]

Myoblasts:

Myoblasts are a type of stem cells that exist in muscles. Skeletal muscle cells are called muscle fibers and are made when myoblasts fuse together; muscle fibers therefore have multiple nuclei.

LOL!...in plain english GK.:joke:

j/t.

[Enanthanator]

lmfao...I wanted to say the same thing...didnt want to sound like an idiot again!!!!

[Gavin Kane]

Ummm, well ok. When you are born your body has embryonic stem cells called blastocyst's that start to form during your development. These cells differentiate into all the different cells that develop in your body. Some of these form into myoblasts, which are the early development of muscle tissue. These myoblasts form into muscle fibers, kind of gluing to each other to make more and more muscle fibers. The amount of fibers you have is determined at birth, therefore once all the myoblasts are formed, that is the amount of muscle fibers you are predetermined to have, and make grow.

Some of the new peptides on the market make new myoblasts, therefore fusing new tissue together so that you now have more muscle fibers that you can workout and make grow.

I hope that makes sense.

[bellicose]

where can i sign up to be the beta tester for injectable myoblasts?

[spnsis1]

how long do you recommend running the peg mgf???

[spnsis1]

what is the minimum amount of weeks adn what is the max you recommend

[JC2007]

Ummm, well ok. When you are born your body has embryonic stem cells called blastocyst's that start to form during your development. These cells differentiate into all the different cells that develop in your body. Some of these form into myoblasts, which are the early development of muscle tissue. These myoblasts form into muscle fibers, kind of gluing to each other to make more and more muscle fibers. The amount of fibers you have is determined at birth, therefore once all the myoblasts are formed, that is the amount of muscle fibers you are predetermined to have, and make grow.

Some of the new peptides on the market make new myoblasts, therefore fusing new tissue together so that you now have more muscle fibers that you can workout and make grow.

I hope that makes sense.


It does. Great explanation.

PS - Love the avatar Gavin. :Banane03:

[Enanthanator]

what is the minimum amount of weeks adn what is the max you recommend

4 weeks on 2 weeks off 4 weeks on again. 200-250mcg 2-3 times weekly seems to be an effective dose.

[Enanthanator]

Last night weighed in at 251.7, this morning 248.1. Did some more cardio this morning. I cheated again last night, ordered dominoes and had about 5 slices and an entire order of bbq wings...Today I should make it the entire day without cheating but I dont think it matters too much as long as I do cardio.

[Grunt76]

where can i sign up to be the beta tester for injectable myoblasts?

Pegylated MGF is as close to that as you'll ever get. And it's REAL close too. :Banane47:

[Enanthanator]

Ok so I had my first bad workout of this cycle. Shoulders...totally sucked ass today. I had a good warmup but my shuolder joints are killing me. My chest is sore from prop...just a pain overload. I got through it but barely...Finished strong and managed to get traps in since I miss them yesterday. Traps were strong as hell. 585 for 6 reps. Burned out with 405 again at 25 reps and had some fuel in the tank but my lower back was killing me as well. I could barely drive home tonight, severe pain in the lower back all down the back of the legs. I am also exhausted, I may just go to bed now...

[Enanthanator]

last night, I was going hypo so I ate box of lucky charms...Oh well...weighed in last night at 255.3, this morning back down to 247.1. The only major difference I have had in the last 2 days is that I started doing some cardio again. Yesterday I did 40mins, 25 in the am and 15 to warmup before lifting. The day before, 25mins in the morning, 20 to warmup before lifting, 15 mins after lifting. Both days my diet was almost 100% on track until the evening where I pigged out. I still managed to lose weight without trying...Not sure how I managed to gain all that weight last week...I never gain that much weight in a week before...either way if I do cardio it seems like the weight gain stops. I am still eating a ton... yesterday, I had almost 1 box of kashi cereal, almost a half gallon of skim, 2 4oz servings of salmon, 6 cups of protein, 1 box of lucky charms, 1 carbo force drink (400cals I think), 1/2 plate of penne a la vodka, 13oz chicken breast. Approx 6500 cals yesterday and about the same if not more the day before.

[Grunt76]

last night, I was going hypo so I ate box of lucky charms...Oh well...weighed in last night at 255.3, this morning back down to 247.1. The only major difference I have had in the last 2 days is that I started doing some cardio again. Yesterday I did 40mins, 25 in the am and 15 to warmup before lifting. The day before, 25mins in the morning, 20 to warmup before lifting, 15 mins after lifting. Both days my diet was almost 100% on track until the evening where I pigged out. I still managed to lose weight without trying...Not sure how I managed to gain all that weight last week...I never gain that much weight in a week before...either way if I do cardio it seems like the weight gain stops. I am still eating a ton... yesterday, I had almost 1 box of kashi cereal, almost a half gallon of skim, 2 4oz servings of salmon, 6 cups of protein, 1 box of lucky charms, 1 carbo force drink (400cals I think), 1/2 plate of penne a la vodka, 13oz chicken breast. Approx 6500 cals yesterday and about the same if not more the day before.

Uhhhhh... And you're wondering why you are gaining weight? :D

[espresso]

Dude I would be a BLIMP if I ate all that but I do love some lucky charms!! It's so freakin hard for me to get that much food down in a day.

BTW - Loving the log!! I'll be testing out MGF soon and this log is a HUGE help.

[Enanthanator]

Dude I would be a BLIMP if I ate all that but I do love some lucky charms!! It's so freakin hard for me to get that much food down in a day.

BTW - Loving the log!! I'll be testing out MGF soon and this log is a HUGE help.

I am pretty sure I could hit 10k on a regular basis. Yesterday during the day I didnt over eat but just till I was satisfied. I could throw some extra food during the day but I dont want to...Love them lucky charms!!!! Glad the journal is helping you out bro.

[Enanthanator]

I slept through my original workout time cause my partner couldnt lift. I was supposed to hit legs but I skipped them until he is there cause I need the spot and the motivation. Trained arms instead...Awesome pump again...crippling me actually. Strength was good but the pump almost made me cry. I will weigh in later tonight. Diet was ok my only cheat meal was my mid morning snack, 2 cheeseburgers, 1 big mac, 2 chick fajitas from mcdonalds.

[Grunt76]

I might have asked this before, so please excuse my INEXISTANT memory.

Would you say that pain during sets is increased?

[Enanthanator]

I might have asked this before, so please excuse my INEXISTANT memory.

Would you say that pain during sets is increased?

Tremendously...the pumps over the last week have been extrememly painful. Yesterday after my arm workout I felt nauseus again, I think it was from the extreme pain from the pump...

Last night weigh in at 255.1, this morning 248.1. Today I will hit legs, may just do some high rep work to change things up a bit. Not sure yet. Looking forward to tomorrow, no peptide shots!!!! Very annoying cycle as far as sticking. I can not stress the importance of buying good pins and not cheaping out. My friend ordered slin pins that were on sale or some bullshit and gave me two boxes...well I want to kill him!!! This pins fucking blow. Very weak and the seem to dull a lot easier than terumo or b&d. Thats my complaint for the day.

[hardcorpcomp]

Just wanted to say great log Enanthater, a lot of good information is coming to light here. I am starting to get the feeling that I had better get on the MGF train!!!!!!!!

[Moe-Mentum]

E, ultimately what are your physical goals?
What weight at what bf%?

[Rage101]

Where you been E???

[Powerlifter1028]

Where you been E???

too much MGF....

:tombstone: :death: :death:

[Enanthanator]

hehehe thanks for the concern...been sick as a dog since last week. Feeling much better today but my cycle is all fucked up... pretty pissed but what are you going to do. Moe ultimately I would like to be around 240 at 8%. It takes its toll being that heavy and I am not looking to be a pro obviously so I dont think I see the need to be much bigger. Ok since I had to stop lifting and injections I ended my peptide cycle. Last measurements were 248 approx, arm was 19 3/4". Overall I like MGF a lot, pumps were good and I felt full. Hard to see the rebound of coming off since I was sick and didnt do anything and hardly ate. I dropped down to 241 now and havent lifted since last week. A little depressing but what are you going to do. Overall MGF I think would get 8 out of 10. I am going to run it in the future again and give it another shot. Next time I will try running it as Carlito suggested with both PMGF and MGF. For now though I may changed my cycle around a little bit. Not sure what I am going to do but definitely going to go a little lighter until after the holidays. I am going to hit cardio pretty hard for the next month and drop some BF.

[Rage101]

Last time I asked you hadn't heard anything yet. Did Carlito come through yet?

[Enanthanator]

Nope, Carlito didnt come through and not sure why. Very strange.

[tapout]

glad your feeling better Enan. guess it's back to good ole tren huh?

[Powerlifter1028]

for everybody's information... soon i will be doing a Hmgf and PEGmgf stack, with IGF

[Grunt76]

for everybody's information... soon i will be doing a Hmgf and PEGmgf stack, with IGF

Trying to one-up Enanthator, are we? :D

You gonna run a thread on that, right? :)

[Powerlifter1028]

yeeah.. ive only got 17 days left on my first PEGmgf cycle, and my Hmgf hasnt gotten here yet, so im gonnna finish this one up, take 3 weeks off of MGF, then start the dual MGF stack

... is 3 weeks enough off time to upregulate?

[Grunt76]

yeeah.. ive only got 17 days left on my first PEGmgf cycle, and my Hmgf hasnt gotten here yet, so im gonnna finish this one up, take 3 weeks off of MGF, then start the dual MGF stack

... is 3 weeks enough off time to upregulate?

I don't think there is anything to upregulate with MGF. I think the limiting factor eventually becomes maximal myoblast proliferation. That is one way in which I think MGF and IGF are so complementary: MGF proliferatest the myoblasts and IGF fuses them.

Using only IGF you will eventually deplete your myoblasts and nothing will fuse. Gains pretty much stop.

Using only MGF you will eventually over-proliferate your myoblasts so they just stop. Gains end.

Using both you should have enough myoblasts to get good gains out of your IGF and thus decrease the number of myoblasts enough that your MGF can proliferate them.

A yummy-sounding stack for sure. Can't wait to try it myself.

[Powerlifter1028]

hmm maybe ill just take 2 weeks off, and thats only for the sake of IGF recepters to upregulate... or are you trying to tell me thats not nessacary either while on MGF??

[ericraven2006]

4 weeks on 2 weeks off 4 weeks on again. 200-250mcg 2-3 times weekly seems to be an effective dose.

I must have missed it, but is it IM or sub q???
Also, do you need to run IGF to maximize it??

[Grunt76]

hmm maybe ill just take 2 weeks off, and thats only for the sake of IGF recepters to upregulate... or are you trying to tell me thats not nessacary either while on MGF??
Most likely it is unnecessary. More research is needed to make sure of that, so go ahead and tell us about it. :)

I must have missed it, but is it IM or sub q???
Also, do you need to run IGF to maximize it??
Either IM or subQ no matter. And yes IGF with it will give you better results although I do like it on its own.

[Moe-Mentum]

Thanks for the journal Big E:)
Looking forward to yours BJ.
This IGF and MGF stack is looking better and better.

[Powerlifter1028]

well... i vetoed the Hmgf and pEGmgf stack BUT i will say this

ive been using the PEGmgf and IGF combo for about 3 weeks now and im up 10lbs in bodyweight and my bench max (im a powerlifter) has gone up 35lbs in 3 weeks!!!

YES you read that right

and might i add i am only using 500mg of test E (im usually a 1250mg'er kind of a guy)

[Moe-Mentum]

Nice.

[Enanthanator]

well... i vetoed the Hmgf and pEGmgf stack BUT i will say this

ive been using the PEGmgf and IGF combo for about 3 weeks now and im up 10lbs in bodyweight and my bench max (im a powerlifter) has gone up 35lbs in 3 weeks!!!

YES you read that right

and might i add i am only using 500mg of test E (im usually a 1250mg'er kind of a guy)

awesome gains BJ! You are taking slin too right? I am definitely going to order more in the very near future. Also receive the peptides as Carlito promised will ad that in as well.

[Powerlifter1028]

i started to do slin on leg day and chest day,,, it lasted for a week, then i decided i need to lean out some before i throw slin in the mix

slin will be added on the next go around

[deathknell3000]

hehehe thanks for the concern...been sick as a dog since last week. Feeling much better today but my cycle is all fucked up... pretty pissed but what are you going to do. Moe ultimately I would like to be around 240 at 8%. It takes its toll being that heavy and I am not looking to be a pro obviously so I dont think I see the need to be much bigger. Ok since I had to stop lifting and injections I ended my peptide cycle. Last measurements were 248 approx, arm was 19 3/4". Overall I like MGF a lot, pumps were good and I felt full. Hard to see the rebound of coming off since I was sick and didnt do anything and hardly ate. I dropped down to 241 now and havent lifted since last week. A little depressing but what are you going to do. Overall MGF I think would get 8 out of 10. I am going to run it in the future again and give it another shot. Next time I will try running it as Carlito suggested with both PMGF and MGF. For now though I may changed my cycle around a little bit. Not sure what I am going to do but definitely going to go a little lighter until after the holidays. I am going to hit cardio pretty hard for the next month and drop some BF.


So you've gained 3/4" in this short amount of time??

[Enanthanator]

Thats what it measured, although it was after the gym so maybe I had a slight pump, plus I was up about 10lbs or so at that point I believe.

[deathknell3000]

Thats what it measured, although it was after the gym so maybe I had a slight pump, plus I was up about 10lbs or so at that point I believe.


That's still a big gain for a veteran.

[L.W.]

I"m up around 5lbs rigght now but I'm running the Peg with slin.

[Powerlifter1028]

im about to experiment with some chinese MGF that is $20 a mg. supposively its pretty pure. i may send a MG or two to GK to let him tesK it on himself or a new client to see how potent it is :D

[Enanthanator]

That's still a big gain for a veteran.

I agree but my arms have shrunk over the last two weeks...down to 18 3/4", guess I was pretty damn sick over that peroid. Sucks but I know I will get it back. Doesnt matter much really.

[deathknell3000]

I agree but my arms have shrunk over the last two weeks...down to 18 3/4", guess I was pretty damn sick over that peroid. Sucks but I know I will get it back. Doesnt matter much really.


Mine only make it to 18" pumped and I'm taller than you so I would still be happy with the 18 3/4".

I'm thinking of trying the MGF/IGF protocal at the end of this cycle but at the dosage of MGF you're using, it would cost $120 every 2 weeks. That's pretty steep for me.

[djm28]

just like to know when to hit the mgf .i work out first thing in the moring and i'm already doing 100mcg of igf before workouts.seem to be working fine this way. will be getting mgf soon and where should i fit this in to the mix?

[espresso]

DJM,

Your doing the IGF BEFORE your workouts? I could never do that and to be honest I think you are losing some of the effect from doing that way. One of the best ways to use IGF is directly AFTER yor workout when IGF receptors are most plentiful in the muscle you just trained.

For me, I would be a freakin zombie in the gym if I shot it before my workout since I can easily go hypoglycemic from IGF. Just checking man to see if you are getting the best out of it. Take care.

E

[Enanthanator]

DJM,

Your doing the IGF BEFORE your workouts? I could never do that and to be honest I think you are losing some of the effect from doing that way. One of the best ways to use IGF is directly AFTER yor workout when IGF receptors are most plentiful in the muscle you just trained.

For me, I would be a freakin zombie in the gym if I shot it before my workout since I can easily go hypoglycemic from IGF. Just checking man to see if you are getting the best out of it. Take care.

E

I agree, before workouts killed me. Some people do like it pre workout and it works but my workouts suffer from it. You can hit the mgf the night before if it is PMgf.

[djm28]

ok i got the hMgf . still the night before or after the moring workout?

[Enanthanator]

immedietely pwo.

[LiLifter247]

hey enanth...ive been following your journal quite frequently hoping to learn what to do before ordering my peptides...now ive decided on running IGF/pegMGF for 4 weeks on/2 off/ 4 weeks on again...cant wait!

[blackssmagic]

immedietely pwo.

what about if you are using gh and igf1 are you still using immedietely pwo

[Enanthanator]

good luck LI!!!!!

Blacks if you are using gh and IGF I believe shooting the Hmgf first since it will have the shortest half life. If you shoot it the same time as IGF they will compete for receptors. So I would shoot mgf, gh, igf. Just give yourself around 15 mins from igf and hmgf shot. (Have not done that but this would be the way I would do it) Maybe one of the smarter bros can chime in on this.

[blackssmagic]

good luck LI!!!!!

Blacks if you are using gh and IGF I believe shooting the Hmgf first since it will have the shortest half life. If you shoot it the same time as IGF they will compete for receptors. So I would shoot mgf, gh, igf. Just give yourself around 15 mins from igf and hmgf shot. (Have not done that but this would be the way I would do it) Maybe one of the smarter bros can chime in on this.

ok enanthanator, this is my plan since doing alot of reading/research
this is my plan for peptides, i will take these on Mon/Wed/Fri
100mcgs MGF 1/2hour before breakfast on Tues/Thurs
10ius GH imm PWO
30mcgs IGF 20 mins later PWO
10ius slin 10 mins later IM
30mcgs IGF prior to lunch
GH Frag 150mcgs prior to bed
along with some AAS
what do you think, after reading your log and some others information i thought this might be ok

[Enanthanator]

Arent you running Hmgf?

[blackssmagic]

its peg mgf from IBE

[Enanthanator]

Looks pretty solid to me...Mgf dose is a little low but other than that its pretty well planned. One other thing why IGF before lunch y not before breakfast?

[blackssmagic]

i workout at 0430 in the morning, so i will do my gh/igf pwo first thing in the morning, i am not sure when to get my other shot of igf in so i just am playing with that one, as far as the mgf being low i thought with everything else that i am taking i didnt want to over do it.

[Enanthanator]

Ok makes sense. I would up it to 200mcg twice per week. But thats just me.

[mtwain]

good luck LI!!!!!

Blacks if you are using gh and IGF I believe shooting the Hmgf first since it will have the shortest half life. If you shoot it the same time as IGF they will compete for receptors. So I would shoot mgf, gh, igf. Just give yourself around 15 mins from igf and hmgf shot. (Have not done that but this would be the way I would do it) Maybe one of the smarter bros can chime in on this.

If MGF and IGF compete for the same receptors how much time should elapse between injections? Say, you do MGF the night before and then IGF pwo? What if it's PegMGF with a longer half life? How many hours after your PegMGF shot can you pin IGF?

Also, are the down grade of receptors identical with both compounds that preclude alternating cycles? Say, do a month of IGF and then a month of MGF or do you have to take a break after a month regardless which one you use or even if you are using both?

[PBATEMAN]

does it make a difference if the mgf is injected IM or sub-q?

[Enanthanator]

I didnt find it to matter

[LiLifter247]

hey E, i am into my 3rd and final week of IGF/MGF..i ran the 1mg of MGF i had for 5 shots the first and second week...and the IGF i ran for @ 80mcg's a day for the 3 weeks, i think i ran a little higher and lost a little due to drawing a little extra into the slin pins...im up 14 pounds so far and that should be what i will stay at...but shit for a greenhorn to anything thats not OTC a 14 lb. gain off IGF/MGF is damn good...imagine what my first run with test will be....haha

[Enanthanator]

Thats a sick gain bro...congrats...

[LiLifter247]

yeah im pretty pumped...literally...haha..i think in april i am going to get 2mg of IGF and MGF and 4mg's of frags to run right before summer...

[Enanthanator]

those are awesome gains...how does it look? Not bloated right?

[Joe914]

great thread and log E ...alot of info in here ...

[Enanthanator]

Thanks Joe, hoping that it helps others out

[LiLifter247]

hey E, not at all bloated...this week i hurt my back so i cant do cardio so i feel a little bloated, but i definately feel 14 pounds heavier but look lighter...i think my BF dropped a little...ill see after this week when im done, but looking at the price of my next peptide cycle i want to just run test and some others for about half the cost...

[Enanthanator]

Yep, this shit adds up...reading this though makes me want to do another mgf cycle

[L.W.]

IBE has a deal on now for those interested.

[L.W.]

T3 supplements will carry MGF in limited quantities starting soon to. But that is just for Canadian dudes. No idea on price yet.

[LiLifter247]

yeah i want to run IGF for 100 mcg's for 20 shots (7 weeks) and the MGF at 200 mcg's again for 10 shots of 250mcg's for 8 shots...which would be 4 or 5 weeks...if i run it 2x a week...then GH frags at 250mcg's before bed 5 on 2 off until i run out of 4 mg's...

[LiLifter247]

yeah i saw a month after i ordered my MGF, IBE has it considerably cheaper than the what i got a mg for...

[L.W.]

Yeah I ordered a bunch for the gf...then it went on sale...lol...my luck.

[LiLifter247]

i wish i had the funds right now to order my 2mg of IGF and 2mg of MGF and all my frags...winter sucks right now..no work...

[sabbaman]

I am finishing my 2nd week with pmgf and IGF1R3 and I have gained 4lbs and very lean gains. I am running it with 1000mg of test a week also.

[deathknell3000]

Yeah I ordered a bunch for the gf...then it went on sale...lol...my luck.

I just got mine before the special too. I pretty much fucked up all around. I bought 1000mcg of IGF-LR3 but it didn't come with the water. I also misread this post where the recommendation of dosages was made for MGF. I thought it said 250mcg a week so I ordered 1000mcg of MGF...... which will only last me 1 week and 1 day. At least the MGF came with 30ml of water. I was going to start earlier this week but I made so many dumbass mistakes, I figured I better wait until I know what the fuck I'm doing. I've read so many post now that I'm on sensory overload and my brain is shutting down.

Shit!:doh:

[LiLifter247]

hahaha...that sucks DEATH...i just finished up my run of IGF/MGF...if u have any ?'s shoot me a PM...it worked out great for me

[deathknell3000]

hahaha...that sucks DEATH...i just finished up my run of IGF/MGF...if u have any ?'s shoot me a PM...it worked out great for me


Some of it is my own fault for being a dumbass. I'll probably shoot you a PM later. Thanks.

[LiLifter247]

sounds good bro..happy to answer any ?'s you have

[joneser]

great read guys.. now i can't wait for payday to buy some pmgf.. will be running gh/igf/mgf.. and i am little excited about it too.. Some real nice gains gentelmen..

[McBastard]

I am a little confused on the peg mgf and the regular. What exactly is the difference? is it the life and and way it makes the mgf dissipate in the body?

I am able to get the non peg mgf, so should I stick to the dosage you recommended above? I hope you weren't already asked this, but I did read through and did not see it.

thanks for sharing all this great info.. much appreciated!

[PNIG]

Ok, started MGF tonight...

100mg prop/tren a daily
600mg deca weekly
800mg eq weekly
100mg var daily
100mg winny daily
60mcg IGF 3 times pw
250mcg mgf 3 times pw
20ius slin 3 times pw

just added proviron to the mix a few days ago at 50mg daily (may up it to 75)

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Forgive me...i have not read the entire thread. So asking this might be redundant--but how could you possibly tell what is working in this stack? Not ripping on it, or you, or your gear use...I am just curious how you could discern if mgf is working?

I love huge drug stacks--don't get me wrong.

[carbs]

it's a good question mate but enanthanator aint around no more to answer it for u..

[btn2102]

he does still drop in occasionally but I reckon with his long term experience he would know from experimentation what was doing what. He mods on another board if you really wanted to ask him

[SmashedUp]

Fack that's alot of gear. . .I got to 212 at 5% with 100mg tren 100mg prop EOD

[PNIG]

Fack that's alot of gear. . .I got to 212 at 5% with 100mg tren 100mg prop EOD

My point exactly. I would --more like I have--grown like a week using even half those amounts. And its quality muscle while losing fat.

[deathknell3000]

My point exactly. I would --more like I have--grown like a week using even half those amounts. And its quality muscle while losing fat.


You only grew for a week? That kinda sucks....

[PNIG]

You only grew for a week? That kinda sucks....

WEED

[guns]

he does still drop in occasionally but I reckon with his long term experience he would know from experimentation what was doing what. He mods on another board if you really wanted to ask him

what boards he at?

[btn2102]

dont think its to cool to say but elite sports what was gke

[poolbartender]

how does this run of pegmgf/igf look?

pegmgf every 4th day on off days 24 hours before workout.

igf-1L3 every other day at 20mcg x 2 pwo muscle trained.(exp. 20mcg in each bi etc...) so...

mon-igf PWO in muscle trained
tue- off day, mgf 24hours before workout into muscle going to be trained.
wed- igf PWO in muscle trained
thurs
friday-igf PWO in muscle trained
sat-off day, mgf 24hours before workout into muscle going to be trained.
sun-igf PWO in muscle trained
mon
tue-igf PWO in muscle trained
wed- off day, mgf 24hours before workout into muscle going to be trained.
thurs-igf PWO in muscle trained
friday
sat-igf PWO in muscle trained
sun-off day, mgf 24hours before workout into muscle going to be trained.
mon-igf PWO in muscle trained
tue
wed-igf PWO in muscle trained
thurs-off day, mgf 24hours before workout into muscle going to be trained.
friday-igf PWO in muscle trained
sat
sun-igf PWO in muscle trained
etc.......

[poolbartender]

i forgot to add mcg for mgf

100mcg in each muscle going to be trained 24 hrs before workout, so total of 200mcg

[foxysteve]

Glad I found you guys, just started MGF this week. Suppose to work systemically, and not matter where you poke. Conservatively, alternate days, 20mcg. Stacked with Testo and Depo (when my pharmacy gets their shit together in time monthly, thank you Dubba B and MediCaid).... Inject in my upper glutes, did too much the first day late afternoon, was hard to sleep at all; melatonin did the trick. First week so far, I just feel really good and strong, stuff coursing through my body. I understand it takes about two weeks for your body to really get it's 'mind' around MGF, so I'm always checking out the mirror in case I suddenly sprout new bumps or trip over my dick all of a sudden ;-)

Steve

[Power81]

I workout b/w 5pm and 3 am so I envy you guys with lives that cab olan shit like that, thats why I just do it on a weekly dosage of 800mcg.....Wich, do you beleive is enough anyway?

[Heydrich]

sorry to be a newkid dumbass, but what is peg MGF? its about the only thing i haven't heard of.
cheer's
Lee

[Heydrich]

it was useful to me, thought i would post it for others
Lee

Mechano Growth Factor Steroid Informations
MGF is a splice variant of the IGF gene which increases stem cell count in the muscle and allows for muscle fibers to fuse and mature. This is a process required for growth of adult muscle. Natural MGF is made locally and does not travel into the bloodstream. Synthetic MGF is water based and when administered intramuscularly, travels into the bloodstream. MGF is only stable in the blood stream for only a few minutes.

PEGylation is the act of attaching a Polyethylene glycol (PEG) structure to another larger molecule (in this case, MGF). The PEG acts as a protective coating and the theory here is that this will allow the MGF to be carried through the blood stream without being broken down.

PEG MGF Background
I have to be honest here, and say that in my estimation, PEGylating MGF is basically something a research chemical company did to have a bit of a market with no competition for awhile. That’s not to say that it’s not a decent product, but honestly, in this particular case, I feel that marketing was in the drivers seat with the development of this version of MGF, and science was in the backseat asking “are we there yet?”.

Mechano Growth Factor Action
MGF is produced biologically when muscle fibers are broken down through resistance (weight training). It is a potent factor in muscle growth. MGF stimulates muscle growth, creates new muscle fibers, promotes nitrogen retention and increases protein synthesis. This compound is commonly used for overall growth of muscle and to promote growth in body parts that are not up to par with the rest of the user’s physique. Results usually depend on dosage. Fat loss and strength increases are not typically seen with MGF’s use (as they are in IGF-1 use).

The PEG itself is safe for use as it is approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and does not react in the body. The PEG MGF is not broken down in the body and excreted (intact) through urine or feces. Any risk associated PEGylated drugs is due to drug itself not the PEG per se.

PEG MGF Technical Data
In a study on older rodents, muscle fiber reduction in their older muscles was found to be attributed to decreased activity of satellite cells. After a certain size was reached, growth ceased. In the presence of MGF, satellite cells became activated and hypertrophy in mature muscles continued.

In experiments where MGF was administered intramuscularly, there was a 20% increase in the weight of the injected muscle fibers within 2 weeks. In further studies, it took 4 months for IGF to cause a 25% increase in muscle mass. MGF was found to be more potent than IGF-1Ea in rapid muscle growth (4).

Note: This data is on “regular” MGF, not the Pegylated version….we can assume similar results, however

So, along with regular MGF and Lr3IGF-1, if I felt it to be necessary, I might throw in some PEGMGF on off-days from training, to get additional growth (and again, if it were me, I’d probably recommend 400-500mcg of PEGMGF on off days, with a regular dose of 200mcg of regular MGF + 100mgs of Lr3IGF-1 on training days

[masster666]

bump for great old thread, with a ton of outstanding info from experienced dudes.

Have been researching the igf and mgf quite a bit lately, and this thread answered all my questions...

[dw_1]

i dont understand the balance of anabolics to androgens

why use so much anabolics and such a small amount of androgens ? doesnt make sense to me at all

[dw_1]

nothin cialis doesnt fix.

here is another reason i think this stack is bad

cialis doesnt give you back your libido
it just helps you get a hard on

not trying to flame just trying to think logically here and critique am i missing something?
(seems its also an old thread re bumped wasnt me :p)

[C-man]

I am a little confused on the peg mgf and the regular. What exactly is the difference? is it the life and and way it makes the mgf dissipate in the body?

I am able to get the non peg mgf, so should I stick to the dosage you recommended above? I hope you weren't already asked this, but I did read through and did not see it.

thanks for sharing all this great info.. much appreciated!

Yeah, by attaching a peg tail to MGF is just lasts longer and goes stymemic

Non peg works more for local site growth where it is pinned.

Shit how old is this thread?

who bumped it?

C-man

[Mixbig]

I´m from sweden and have some questions about MGF & IGF-1 LR3 and dosages.

My cycle looks like this:

100mg Tren. A , 100mg Test. Propionate, 100mg Masterone EOD
500mg Test Cyp. E5D

But now to the reel question...

My plan is to take 3IU HGH 1/2 hour before my workout to get some reel pump, but i´m going to take 100mcg MGF in each muscle 15 min pwo (I Must drink one proteinshake before I´ll take it), and 45 min after I´ll take the MGF I´ll take 50mcg IGF-1 LR3 in each muscle.

Can someone give their opinion of how i plan my MGF and IGF-1 LR3, and give some advise how to take it on days I dont lift weights.
My english is not the best but I hope it is somenone who can figure it out for me.