IGF-1 and GH 3x a week

[Sasha]

I have been doing some research on only doing IGF-1 and GH doses 3x a week PWO. From what it sounds this may help a bit more for putting on mass which is my goal. I plan on doing 10iu of gh, and 50mcg of IGF. My question is, should I do 5iu of gh in the a.m. and 5iu pwo, or do all 10 pwo? And with the IGF-1 should split my doses up to 3 to 4 x a day? Or just split it to 2 doses bilaterally pwo?

[Enanthanator]

split up twice per day for both. Shooting IGF bilaterelly. IGF can be split up as many times as you like but after after a while it may get old shooting so much.

[Grunt76]

I think you are better off spreading your 30iu of hGH over the 7 days of the week, pin 2iu in the morning and 2iu postworkout. Add IGF-1 3 times a week.

If you want, you can possibly redistribute the 2iu you would do PWO on the days that you pin IGF-1 to the other times.

So you would have 30iu to divide between 11 doses. Pin 3iu in the morning and 2iu PWO or 3iu in the morning and IGF-1 PWO. It will work out to the same amount of GH but better results IMO.

Oh, and BTW, I think this stack will be better for fatloss than much gains, unless you eat like a T-rex.

[Sasha]

Running gh for 7 days a week instead of 3 is no problem. But i thought that that will make it better for fat loss. Fortunately for me that is not a concern. I am just looking to bulk this winter, and thought that high doses pwo would help with size. So you think ed will be better?

[Enanthanator]

I would go with the three days for bulking.

[TJ]

I would go with the three days for bulking.

Same here, and I'm not a big fan of breaking the shot into 2 on that workout day you want as big a bang post workout as possible hence the 1 big shot. Every client I've had do this for bulking has exploded with gains vs. the slow gains of daily shots that produce more fat loss and some muscle gain. I tried the twice a day, 3x/week and didn't get the same results as once a day, 3x/week. In my opinion breaking it up morning and post workout is like trying to go back to daily shots, the whole key to this is INFREQUENT shots and doing them twice that day just doubles the frequency of shots per week.

[Sasha]

Thanks for the input. Now what about IGF-1? Should I split that up too? My plan is to shoot 10iu gh, pwo. Then 15-20min later 50mcg IGF-1. I also plan on running slin later into my cycle, which I will add another 20 min after my IGF.

[jack thomas]

Thanks for the input. Now what about IGF-1? Should I split that up too? My plan is to shoot 10iu gh, pwo. Then 15-20min later 50mcg IGF-1. I also plan on running slin later into my cycle, which I will add another 20 min after my IGF.

Just shoot all 50mcg igf PWO.25mcg in each side of the body.

j/t.

[L.W.]

I would shoot the Gh post workout only and do 3-4 shots of IGF on workout days.

I've added slin on a rotating basis now, using it very infrequently and often in just the AM as I train at night. Adding in slin made a huge difference. I've only been on the IGF for about 14 days and I've noticed a marked improvement in all bodyparts. Not so much bigger, but fuller, tighter, rounder....overall just better. Plus my abs are back from their winter sleep.

[espresso]

What do you guys think of GK's protocol of running GH? I am planning on pinning it 7 days a week at 4iu per day but you guys got me thinking about it now :( It sounds like the 7 days per week method would promote better fat loss and 3x per week method would promote better muscle gains.

[PimpOfNY]

im going to try this new theory myself soon with the 3 days a week ....we will see what the hype is about

[L.W.]

If you want mass try the 3 day shooter. Many guys love it and worst case scenerio is you wont like it. Then you can go back to ED shots.

[PimpOfNY]

YEAH ILL GIVE IT 12 WEEKS STARTING IN FEB .....I NEED TO GATHER MY GOODIES FIRST ....I WILL BE RUNNING WITH IGF ALSO ON THE GH DAYS ....
IT JUST MAKES ME NERVOUS TO DO 10-12 IUS IN ONE SHOT ......
HOPEFULLY THE SIDES ARENT TOO BAD:sick: :sick:

[Enanthanator]

Actually sides seem to be less for me with the 3 day per week.

[Sasha]

I shot 10iu yesterday pwo for the first time. Then 50mcg IGF-1, 15 minutes later, 25mcg each side. I'm going to run it like this for at least the next three months. In about another 3 weeks I'm going to add slin. I will let you guys know how things work out. Thanks for all the advice.

BTW I'm thinking I can get away with running the IGF at least 8 to 10 weeks, 3x a week @ 50mcg. Because I'm keeping the dose low and more sporadic, I think this should be okay. I know some guys say 3 weeks on 3 off. Just want to get some other opinions on this. Let me know what you think.

[Grunt76]

I shot 10iu yesterday pwo for the first time. Then 50mcg IGF-1, 15 minutes later, 25mcg each side. I'm going to run it like this for at least the next three months. In about another 3 weeks I'm going to add slin. I will let you guys know how things work out. Thanks for all the advice.

BTW I'm thinking I can get away with running the IGF at least 8 to 10 weeks, 3x a week @ 50mcg. Because I'm keeping the dose low and more sporadic, I think this should be okay. I know some guys say 3 weeks on 3 off. Just want to get some other opinions on this. Let me know what you think.

I like your way better than the 3/3. Especially for muscle size.

[steroidhead]

What do you guys think of GK's protocol of running GH? I am planning on pinning it 7 days a week at 4iu per day but you guys got me thinking about it now :( It sounds like the 7 days per week method would promote better fat loss and 3x per week method would promote better muscle gains.

I'm on 4iu (2 x 2iu) of GH 7 days with 10iu insulin post GH. Also 50mcg of T4. I'm into my 12th week, and have gained approximately 10-12 lbs on muscle (and the obligitory water), plus getting leaner.

Is this best? Who really knows? It works for me, probably because I'm 45, my age is helping.

I'll add 60-100mcg IGF for the last 20 weeks of my pre-comp preparation. This will be a total of 42 weeks of GH at 2x daily (damn, that's 28 shots a week before I start my IGF and not including any other goodies I'm adding).

Try one way for 10 weeks. if nothing happens or your not happy with the progress, try the other way.

[Grunt76]

I'm on 4iu of GH 7 days with 10iu insulin post GH. Also 50mcg of T4. I'm into my 12th week, and have gained approximately 10-12 lbs on muscle (and the obligitory water), plus getting leaner.

Is this best? Who really knows? It works for me, probably because I'm 45, my age is helping.

I'll add 60-100mcg IGF for the last 20 weeks of my pre-comp preparation. This will be a total of 42 weeks of GH at 2x daily (damn, that's 28 shots a week before I start my IGF and not including any other goodies I'm adding).

Try one way for 10 weeks. if nothing happens or your not happy with the progress, try the other way.
Hey what you are doing would, IMO work for EVERYONE... ;)

[PimpOfNY]

well there is only one way to find out ......and when ur adding slin you look so much better always so its hard to judge

[Micro]

All you guys running GH are you pinning Sub-Q or IM?

Thanks
Micro

[steroidhead]

All you guys running GH are you pinning Sub-Q or IM?

Thanks
Micro

Somatorm Sub-Q - no welts or lumps

[Sasha]

All you guys running GH are you pinning Sub-Q or IM?

Thanks
Micro

Sub-Q. Bluie tops. Occasional welts but nopt too bad. I think its working. What are all your guys opinions on the generic blue tops compared to Jintropin's aside from the price?

[Sasha]

I know it has only been just over a week now since I have tried this new protocol, but I must say that so far I am very impressed. Doing 10iu pwo, then 50mcg IGF 15min later bilaterally. Come home from my workouts and my muscles are extremely pumped, already look like I have made some gains, diet is good and feel good too. Into 2nd week of cycle running cyp/deca, and a little kickstart of NPP. Going to throw in slin soon. Going to start with 2iu and work up to 6iu. Was told to keep slin dose lower when taking IGF, am I correct on this?

[Enanthanator]

Yes keep slin lower with IGF

[BigJ]

QUESTION....

why would 3x a week yield better results than 5? I train 5x a week and would like to use 50mcg each day....will I still see big gains? If I did 3 would I up the dose?

[SouthPaw]

Same here, and I'm not a big fan of breaking the shot into 2 on that workout day you want as big a bang post workout as possible hence the 1 big shot. Every client I've had do this for bulking has exploded with gains vs. the slow gains of daily shots that produce more fat loss and some muscle gain. I tried the twice a day, 3x/week and didn't get the same results as once a day, 3x/week. In my opinion breaking it up morning and post workout is like trying to go back to daily shots, the whole key to this is INFREQUENT shots and doing them twice that day just doubles the frequency of shots per week.


What about 2iu every morning 7 days pr wk
and 5 or 10iu pwo 3 times pr wk?

Best of both the fat burning and muscle gain???

South

[TJ]

What about 2iu every morning 7 days pr wk
and 5 or 10iu pwo 3 times pr wk?

Best of both the fat burning and muscle gain???

South

Over saturation, too many side effects with that high a dosage, cost, etc., etc. Part of the problem here is people still believe muscle growth is an ongoing 24 hour thing and the science behind it is starting to show that the majority of growth, at least on the hormonal and chemical level happens shortly after the workload is carried out hence the larger dosage right after the workout. The human body has an innate ability to becomes accustomed to regular exposure to chemicals, just like with say pain meds in the beginning 1 tab works, eventually you need 2 then 3, etc. What would you want right after surgery a smaller dose you been taking presurgery to get it into your system or a big dose right when you need it? You want a big bang here, not a little trickle all day. If you were only using it infrequently you'd get more out of it when it got used if the timing is right.

Guys I realize it's human nature to try to improve things but if you haven't even given something a try yet why would you already be trying to change it?

[SouthPaw]

Guys I realize it's human nature to try to improve things but if you haven't even given something a try yet why would you already be trying to change it?


Thanks for the imput Bubba.

I've tied both,, at different times. Not tryin to re-invent the wheel,,, just tryin to see if we can make it spin faster :)


South

[PimpOfNY]

I agree that this new theory makes sense ...theoretically...but everyone must try on their own because everyone responds different ...

personally i am seriously considering trying the 3x pre week protocal for the first 12 weeks of my cycle .....if im not happy by week 8 i will go back to my normal protocal...3iu a day 2 x per day works great for me ...and i get slight side affects (this way i know its working) .......so for me thats 42 iu if gh a week ...so if i split that into 3 days that 14 iu in one shot 3 x per week ....that does make me a little nervous trying that

[PimpOfNY]

Thanks for the imput Bubba.

I've tied both,, at different times. Not tryin to re-invent the wheel,,, just tryin to see if we can make it spin faster :)


South

hey SP ...how did u like it when you did the 3x per week protocal????????

[Brianincali]

I've been using the 3x/week protocol with great results. I take 15iu HGH right after training followed by 30mcg IGF, then 10 iu Humalog. I take in a min. of 50 g Protein & 10 g Carb per iu injected. Then 1 hr later consume Chicken Breast & Rice. Last meal consists of Oatmeal & Steak, Chicken or Fish. It's AP's Protocol, he knows his stuff !! I just came off of the Mr. Universe Dec. 2nd so naturally I am going to put on some weight. My contest weight was 174, my current weight 207. This protocol is great and would recommend stacking it with some type of AAS as well. I'm currently taking 250mg Sustanon ED along with 50mg D-Bol ED. 1 more week of Sust ED then I switch to 2G Enanthate / Week.

BIC

[Sasha]

QUESTION....

why would 3x a week yield better results than 5? I train 5x a week and would like to use 50mcg each day....will I still see big gains? If I did 3 would I up the dose?

I think if you were to shoot 50mcg 5x a week for a total of 250mcg, then you would only be able to run it for about 3 weeks or so. After that the gains would probably slow down and become less effective. Doing just 50mcg 3x a week allows you to run it alot longer. I plan on running mine for about 8 weeks at this dose. I have another friend of mine who has done it this way also and put on more steady gains. But again eveyone is different and what may work for me may not be the best option for you.

[SouthPaw]

hey SP ...how did u like it when you did the 3x per week protocal????????


I do alot of SHIC cycles and 3 times pr wk works GREAT with that. I'm sure it would work GREAT with a 12 or 16 or 20 wk cycle. For me personally I've found that GH with the addition of Tren in the cycle kicks things to another level. Even small doses of Tren,, 50mg eod TrenA will help the productivity of the GH/IGF.


South