can clomid be used during cycle instead of HCG?

[theworm]

just curious.


anyone know?

[compaq1]

i've heard of guys using it , not sure it would do much other than it's anti Estro effect ...

[BigWill]

Clomid is useless when taken with test. That's why you wait 3 weeks after your last shot before taking it.

[ythrashn]

Originally Posted by BigWill

Clomid is useless when taken with test. That's why you wait 3 weeks after your last shot before taking it.

Actually before hcg hit the scene years ago some used clomid during their cycle. Even if you are taking testosterone clomid will still stimulate natural lh production. So it is not useless... it would keep your leydig cells stimulated, prevent atrophy and keep you busting good sized loads. Just like hcg....

You would have to cycle clomid because it would lose some of its effectiveness over time unlike hcg.

So it was only used during long cycles or by those that cruised between cycles......

[taba]

I have used clomid at 50mg EOD to keep my balls full while on a cycle.
Works great.
I really feel strange walking around with tiny balls.
Especially when I'm just about to make love to my lady.

[ythrashn]

Originally Posted by taba

I have used clomid at 50mg EOD to keep my balls full while on a cycle.
Works great.
I really feel strange walking around with tiny balls.
Especially when I'm just about to make love to my lady.

You use it the entire cycle?

Have you ever tried HCG?

[BalticBlood]

Clomid is a post cycle... Hcg is used during cycle... difrent drugs for dif purposes.

[taba]

Originally Posted by ythrashn

You use it the entire cycle?

Have you ever tried HCG?

I use HCG. I do the swale protocal now. Back when I used clomid swale had not posted yet.
We only used HCG in the middle of a long cycle for 2 weeks and at the end for of the cycle for 2 weeks.
Clomid keeps the balls full during your cycle.

[garyt1975]

Clomid is standard prescribed protocol for raising test levels for those suffering from secondary hypogonadism (balls can produce test but pituitary or hypothalamus not telling them to for whatever reason). Some docs will prescribe HCG as an alternative if requested. Clomid is an estrogen agonist in some places in the body, and an antagonist in others, which is not a natural state of things in the male body.

It seems more logical and optimal to just use HCG to up the amplitude on all the proper stuff. HCG also stimulates adrenal response (p450 sidechain or somesuch) which clomid does not. In other words, HCG acts just as if your body is pumping out higher LH levels, Clomid has some of the same effects but will not duplicate how a male body should function. The way you feel on clomid even when it has raised test levels on its own is not the same as you will feel with HCG at the same test levels, at least this is my experience confirmed by doc.

Both are used instead of straight testosterone to raise test levels for those concerned about future/current fertility.

[lupus1]

Like a few of the guys have stated above, clomid makes my nuts bigger and shoot bigger loads while on, plus it doesn't send estrogen levels through the roof as hcg does. They do work differently, and I do like Swale's protocol for hcg.
And by the way, I don't notice any anti-e benefit from clomid, unlike nolvadex.