night time GH shots, what to eat to increase insulin spikes?

[HeyHerc]

And is this a good idea? I wont shoot slin, but if I could get more out of my gh shots by eating certain foods timed properly to my shots, what would be the best plan of attack?

Thanks, sorry for all the questions.

[prealdeal]

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[RAAM]

Waxy maize or other long chain carbohydrate at least 20 min after gh shot and/or simple high-glyclemic carbs before shot (works great if PWO too). Also r-ala

[trapz]

dont regular high GI sugars blunt the GH response??? i remember reading that the glucose test is how they test people to see if they have gigantism and excessive GH release or whatever.. and thats why your only supposed to use malto or WMS for fast acting carbs when your taking your GH near the same time...

so confusing

[RAAM]

Yeah Trapz I have heard the same. No "glucose" for 20 min or so after shot. But I think doing it before shot will cause an insulin spike if time right.

[HeyHerc]

thanks, how abour some actually foods, like a bannana, certain kinds of fruit juice, ????

[strongman]

until your doing pwo e3d 20-30 iu shots for mass, this is not needed. Take your shot, have a protien shake, go to bed. 2-4iu ed is for the long term and spiking your insulin will little if nothing to help.

For older guys our age that are not true bbers but athletes such as plers and strongmen unconcerned with weight or appearence, 2-4iu ed along with low dose test non-stop is what will work best. Low and slow.

Over time you will get the anti-aging benefits, the first thing you probably notice is your finger/toe nails growing faster. Combine weight training along with the above protocol and slowly old injuires go away and stonger tougher ligaments and tendons form. You will see a noticable drop in bf even without diet modification and probably see veins in places never seen before over time (under the hair, LOL).

[prealdeal]

that makes sense strongman but like the other guys said so much different input makes it confusing

[strongman]

you are correct and who's to say they are wrong? all the studies on AAS and HGH are on aging people, aides patients, burn victims etc. It's so much trial and error and "broscience". But knowing what he know for sure and that is gh works slowly, it's has anti-aging capability and will make tendons and ligaments stronger at least my advice will truely happen over time.

The questions start when the "guru" bber that got more from waiting 12.6 minutes after his fast acting slin inj, then gh then 18 mins later igf, then 28:22 a high glycemic carb meal. No wait the other guru said igf then slin then gh, no, no, no the other guy gained 33lbs doing mgf before slin after igf with slin....

in the ARMY they used the K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid)

anti-aging, fat loss, 2-4iu ed along with low dose aas, taken whenever is most convienent, because where talking in terms of months and years.

mass, 20-30iu e3d morning or evening, pwo, with or without slin, along with aas. Try them all and see which one works best for you.

[HeyHerc]

Thanks bro.

As for first things noticed, swolen fingers!
Up 10 pounds after a week and a half on the GH, the d-bols for 2 weeks and the test/tren for 2 weeks, but the swelling could be the water from the d-bol right?

[RAAM]

Probably not from the gh ... well maybe just a tad. Any other side as of yet ?

[RAAM]

Originally Posted by strongman

Over time you will get the anti-aging benefits, the first thing you probably notice is your finger/toe nails growing faster. Combine weight training along with the above protocol and slowly old injuires go away and stonger tougher ligaments and tendons form. You will see a noticable drop in bf even without diet modification and probably see veins in places never seen before over time (under the hair, LOL).

So true about the finger nails. Mine grow much faster now. Also my hair grows quicker but unfortunatly isn't filling in thin spots. LOL Oh yeah and veins are f-ing everywhere even on my lower abs !!! Now granted I'm eating clean.

[HeyHerc]

Originally Posted by RAAM

Probably not from the gh ... well maybe just a tad. Any other side as of yet ?

Some days a little lethargic, but that could also have to do with 12 hours work days 5 days a week LOL.

Anything else I should notice????

[strongman]

nah, maybe some tingling in your hands, especialy when you wake up. If you keep it low dosed I doubt you will see CT sides unless your prone to them.

[C-man]

Originally Posted by strongman

you are correct and who's to say they are wrong? all the studies on AAS and HGH are on aging people, aides patients, burn victims etc. It's so much trial and error and "broscience". But knowing what he know for sure and that is gh works slowly, it's has anti-aging capability and will make tendons and ligaments stronger at least my advice will truely happen over time.

The questions start when the "guru" bber that got more from waiting 12.6 minutes after his fast acting slin inj, then gh then 18 mins later igf, then 28:22 a high glycemic carb meal. No wait the other guru said igf then slin then gh, no, no, no the other guy gained 33lbs doing mgf before slin after igf with slin....

in the ARMY they used the K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid)

anti-aging, fat loss, 2-4iu ed along with low dose aas, taken whenever is most convienent, because where talking in terms of months and years.

mass, 20-30iu e3d morning or evening, pwo, with or without slin, along with aas. Try them all and see which one works best for you.

well said.........

[TJ]

Herc what are you looking to get out of the GH? Size? Strength? Leaning out? Looking for Insulin like response to food intake with GH makes me think size/strength, and for that 3 x a week works best in my experience and opinion. I do agree with Strongman though I think he said it best when he said:

anti-aging, fat loss, 2-4iu ed along with low dose aas, taken whenever is most convienent, because where talking in terms of months and years.

mass, 20-30iu e3d morning or evening, pwo, with or without slin, along with aas. Try them all and see which one works best for you.

But if I had to bet on this knowing your into strongman comps and all I'm betting you want size and strength from it and I'm almost sure you'll like the 3 x a week protocol best.

[HeyHerc]

Thanks TJ, how are you old friend, you going okay???

Okay, to answer your question, I am looking to get the antiaging effects from it. The size is coming on very well from the test, tren and d-bol, hell I gained 15 pounds and I'm only 3 weeks in I think. Strength is starting to come back to the "good old days" like when everything didnt used to hurt LOL. I have terrible knees, bad shoulders, bad forearms, bad elbows sometimes if I train heavy on tri's and I just cant see myself continuing to lift heavy and grow at all if this shit continues. Then when it hurts so bad, you just dont lift heavy, then you get weaker, lighter, smaller everywhere but the waist and you start to get depressed about it. So I'm going to run it probably 3iu/day for 6 months and see how it goes. I may bump it to 4iu/day half way through and see if it makes much of a difference....

After my 10 week cycle, I may run another one 10 weeks after that with some test and deca to maybe help the joints even more. But honestly, I think my knees are fucked simply from doing some of my strongman shit without ever wrapping my knees. That farmers walk is a real killer on the knees when you got 265 per hand and no wraps for any support at all....stupid on my part, I know.

[RAAM]

I think your on the right track Herc.

[TJ]

Herc I'm doing great my friend hopefully you are to!! Yeah for anti aging I'd stick with what your doing already no need to change anything or to look for any insulin spikes, etc. I wouldn't be so concerned about insulin spikes either your going to get great size and strength gains from what your taking and how your doing it right now, anything else is going to be overkill in my opinion.

I hear you on the "everything hurts" sometimes its just easier to list what doesn't hurt than to go down the list of what does, LOL!!

[HeyHerc]

Originally Posted by TJ

I hear you on the "everything hurts" sometimes its just easier to list what doesn't hurt than to go down the list of what does, LOL!!

LOL true, very true...