hgh cycle for a mate.

[haggar]

a buddy of mine has asked me to come on here and ask for some advice for him.

he wants to do add some gh to his next cycle, he asked me what i think is best, he said he's been told to do a 5 on 2 off, ive never done gh, but i said from what ive read on the board theres no reason to do that and a low dose for every day along time is best.

he then asked why? i was a bit stumped, i know people do 5 on 2 off to save money, but is there any reason not to do a 5 on 2 off? if it dosent lower the effectiveness, then saving a lil bit of cash would be a good thing considering its sooooo fucking expensive!

and i have done a search but im still none the wiser, ed, eod, 10 iu 3 x week, am/pm. does it really make a difference since gh works from an accumalative effect from several weeks /months to work?

some info and stats:

he's 38
been training on and off for well over 10 years, serious for the last 5 years
got himself to 215 with 18' arms naturally
squats over 400lb, so aint some newbie.
he's got 3 or 4 low dose cycles under his belt.

he's looking to take himself to the next level, he not botherd about the fat loss from the growth, he just wants to get as big as possible, basically get his moneys worth!!

thanx in advance for any advice.

also if you could give reasons for your suggestions, it will be greatly appreciated, just in case he asks why again.

[Sadie]

no reason to do 5 on 2 off.. lets not forget that growth takes 3-6 months to even do subtle changes. i used to take it ever day usually in the morning but i was told to split the dose which i did.. i didnt notice any kind of advantage to this. honestly.. wont run growth again.. if he want big fast then growth isnt the answer unless hes hittin slin too...

BIG will NOT come from running some growth (without slin) for a cycle.. sorry tell him to try test and deca or something lol

does he actually run cycles or was he just wanting to throw in some growth just because? Saw low dose cycles.. of growth? or something else?

[jack thomas]

For his goal he will probably benefit from the 3 day blast method.

j/t.

[haggar]

Originally Posted by Sadie

no reason to do 5 on 2 off.. lets not forget that growth takes 3-6 months to even do subtle changes. i used to take it ever day usually in the morning but i was told to split the dose which i did.. i didnt notice any kind of advantage to this. honestly.. wont run growth again.. if he want big fast then growth isnt the answer unless hes hittin slin too...

BIG will NOT come from running some growth (without slin) for a cycle.. sorry tell him to try test and deca or something lol

does he actually run cycles or was he just wanting to throw in some growth just because? Saw low dose cycles.. of growth? or something else?

cheers sadie, yeah he's done a few cycles test, deca, dbols, winnie, sust, you know basic stuff.

he will be running it with test and a few other anabolics with it.

he just wants to get the best bang for his buck.

[haggar]

Originally Posted by jack thomas

For his goal he will probably benefit from the 3 day blast method.

j/t.

if you dont mind me asking why? what happens when you do the 3 day method that doesnt happen when you run it everyday?

[Sadie]

high doses 3 days a week unless hes meaning something i have not heard of before

[haggar]

Originally Posted by Sadie

high doses 3 days a week unless hes meaning something i have not heard of before

fuck me your up early!!

i mean whats the benifits of injecting 10 iu on a mon,wed,fri split that you dont get from injecting ed?

[guns]

taking alower dose ed orn split doses ed help with fat loss, skin tightening etc.

blasting 10iu in one go ususlaly pwo are for adding mass, which is harder to do with lower doses (and expensive and not to)

[rippedfreak123]

yea ive been readin on this blast method a little lately..is there any threads or protocols on this some one can provide here??

[haggar]

Originally Posted by rippedfreak123

yea ive been readin on this blast method a little lately..is there any threads or protocols on this some one can provide here??

bump.

id be intrested to hear the theory behind the reasons and why.

[haggar]

bump.

[t_c_1]

Question and Answer with Gavin Kane

In this section, I will take some of the more commonly asked questions by way of Private Mail and bring them online for everyone to benefit from.

Question 1)

Hey Gavin,

I have read all your articles on growth hormone, insulin, and finally igf, but I am still having a hard time putting all three together in a protocol for bulking. Can you outline a simple program for me, something that lists dosages, timing, and optimal use? I have done many cycles of anabolics, as well as insulin and gh, but now I am looking forward to adding in some igf to the mix. Thanks in advance for helping a guy out.


To XXXXXXX

I am happy to help you out bro as it is critical to get the timing sequence down for optimal growth. I have been personally testing different protocols with igf use, having done over 20 different cycles and timing schedules. I also have a few competitive bodybuilders and test subjects off-season testing my new protocols. I have nailed down what I feel is the best protocol at this time, though everything is subject to change as I keep researching.
For now I have found that less is more. I highly recommend using a minimal schedule for all short chain sequence peptides, which include igf, insulin and even gh. I recommend using no more than 3 days per week, 2 days is fine, but no more than 3. The reason for this is that we are trying to prevent cell over-saturation and closure. All three products should be used in a similar manner.

The protocol is as follows; inject all products post workout, preferably after training large muscle groups which cause the most glycogen depletion, hence providing faster uptake of peptides. A sample layout is to inject Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Immediately post-workout inject 10-15iu of growth hormone IM, using a insulin pin and inject in any small muscle group such as delts, triceps, or biceps. Wait 20 minutes for the half-life clearance and conversion to igf to begin its sequence from the growth hormone and then inject a small dose of igf to create a synergistic super charge of the conversion process. I would recommend no more than 30mcg at this time. 10 minutes later you will take Humalog insulin only, and inject 5iu. I recommend starting with 5iu because Humalog has a very rapid onset and is easy to control with sugar. In conjunction with igf, you will be hyper-sensitive to insulin so start small and slowly work your way up to a maximum dose of 12iu post-workout. You will want to have around 80-100 grams of simple sugars such as dextrose and grape juice and an additional 60 grams of whey protein at the same time as your insulin. You will then eat another moderate glycemic index meal one hour after your high glycemic shake.

The reason for the high dose growth hormone is to take what would normally be your one week intake of gh and spread it out into 3 equal doses, injected pwo. This will create a truly anabolic rich environment and you will also benefit from full uptake due to your pwo depleted state.

So there is our post-workout regime, 3 days per week. Certainly you should take more than this, shouldn’t you? For most lifters, this protocol will be sufficient for growth. For someone with at least 6 months of gh use, 5 or more cycles of insulin and who no longer responds to typical igf protocols, the following regime may be followed: In addition to the above outline post-workout method, you may add additional doses of igf as well as insulin on the same day as your post-workout injection.

I would highly recommend you take 15mcg igf an additional two times per day. By taking less igf more often you will prevent cell over-saturation as well as receptor down-regulation. Creating a cell rich environment that saturates the cells infrequently will target massive cell proliferation. In addition you will take insulin 20 minutes after the igf on those 2 additional injections creating an anabolic rich environment that will last all day, 3 days per week.

For a sample protocol for someone that works out after work, I would recommend you do the following: Take 15mcg upon rising in the morning, followed by 10iu Humulin R or Humalog 20 minutes later. Immediately eat a carbohydrate rich meal with quality protein and low fat such as bananas, oatmeal and egg whites.

For lunch, take another 15mcg igf with 10iu insulin and have another moderate glycemic carbohydrate meal and protein with minimal fats. Follow the above listed pwo protocol to complete your three time injection schedule which will be used three times per week.

If you follow the outline laid out for you above to the letter, you will put on a massive amount of lean mass with a minimal amount of fat. You will need an anabolic and androgen rich environment to complete the schedule such as testosterone and tren in addition to the peptide products. T3 and T4 will not be necessary on this schedule as your thyroid levels will not be affected.

[trapz]

id suggest he start experimenting with stronger AAS and cycles as he will get ALOT more in the ways of size gains from that than he will from hGH.

at his age though he'd definitely benefit even from running an hrt dose of 2iu of hGH per day with the cycles.

however to get size gains from hGH it really requires the use of slin/t3 or at least igf if he doesnt want to run slin yet, and of course a pretty strong cycle of AAS such as 3-4cc of test per week with tren and maybe another anabolic, or dbol instead of tren.

id suggest he start cycling heavier and perhaps going on HRT instead of goign off at his age and just using hGH for longevity purposes for now until he starts to plateau in his gains from cycles before turning to hGH to try and gain more mass as that is not really the solution, its not that great for gaining mass, it really sucks for that actually.

[haggar]

thanx for all the replys.

cheers t c 1 that was the answer i was looking, cheers mate.

[t_c_1]

U'r welcome haggar,

maybe need a small update???

I don't know...

Any ideas guys ???